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The discussion revolves around proving that the transpositions \( s_i = (i, i+1) \) for \( 1 \leq i \leq n - 1 \) generate the symmetric group \( S_n \) using induction on \( n \). The original poster is exploring the relationship between transpositions and permutations within the context of group theory.

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  • The original poster attempts to use induction and considers the base case for \( n=2 \) while questioning how to extend the proof to \( S_{n+1} \). Some participants suggest expressing elements of \( S_{n+1} \) in terms of elements from \( S_n \) combined with additional transpositions. There is also discussion about the complexity of generalizing products of transpositions when new elements are introduced.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and clarifications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of permutations in \( S_{n+1} \) and how to incorporate transpositions. The discussion is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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There is a focus on the need to clarify the mapping of elements in the context of transpositions and permutations, as well as the implications of the number of elements in \( S_n \) and \( S_{n+1} \). The original poster expresses uncertainty about the next steps in their proof.

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Homework Statement


Use induction of n to prove that the transpositions s_i = (i, i+1), 1 \leq i \leq n - 1 generate S_n.


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Notation: e = Identity permutation.

Any permutation can be written as a disjoint product of transpositions.


The Attempt at a Solution



Proof. We proceed by induction on n. As our base case for n=2, we cite that the transposition s_1 = (12) is sufficient to generate S_n since s_1^2 = e. Suppose now that the transpositions s_i = (i, i+1), 1 \leq i \leq n-1 generate S_n.

I'm not really sure where to go next. I know that S_n has n! elements and want to use that fact along with the transposition (i+1,i+2) to somehow show that S_{n+1} will have (n+1)! elements but I am not sure if that is sufficient to prove that the s_i's generate S_n.
 
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Try to show you can write an element s of S_n+1 as an element of S_n times some transpositions. Label which elements of the permutation s map to and from n+1.
 
Dick,

Thanks for your response. It makes sense that I should be able to generate the elements of S_{n+1} using the permutations that are contained in S_n plus the additional transposition s_{n+1} = (n, n+1). But how would I do this?

For example, say I was constructing elements in S_4 from the old transpositions s_1 = (12), s_2 = (23), and the newly acquired transposition s_3 = (34). Then the products s_1 s_2 s_3, s_1 s_3 s_2, and s_2 s_2 s_3 are all different. Here's what confusing me: How can I work around the problem of generalizing a product when the newly acquired transposition is wedged in between two old permutations. Does this make sense? Would it suffice to say that if \sigma \in S_{n+1} and \sigma ' \in S_n, then we can write \sigma in the form of either \sigma' s_{n+1}, or s_{n+1} \sigma', or \sigma_1' s_{n+1} \sigma_2'?

Also, I don't understand what you mean by label which elements of the permutation s map to and from n+1. Can you explain further, please?
 
If s is in S_n+1 there is some l in {1...n+1} such that s(l)=n+1 and some k in {1...n+1} such that s(n+1)=k. For the rest of the i in {1...n} s(i) is in {1...n}. So yes, what you say makes perfect sense. You do some transpositions, apply an element in S_n then do some more transpositions so the result is s in S_n+1. You just have to spell out what those initial and final transpositions are.
 
Great. It makes perfect sense to me now. Thanks again!
 

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