Writing x^2 + y^2 = 1 + sin^2(xy) in polar form

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The problem involves rewriting the equation x^2 + y^2 = 1 + sin^2(xy) in polar form, with the substitutions x = rcos(φ) and y = rsin(φ). The goal is to express r as a function of φ within the specified ranges for r and φ.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of the equation into polar coordinates and the challenges of isolating r. There is confusion regarding the application of the arcsin function and its implications for the range of φ.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the transformations and questioning the validity of certain mathematical operations. Some guidance has been offered, but clarity on the approach remains elusive.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of using arcsin in the context of the defined range for φ and the symmetry properties of the functions involved.

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Homework Statement


Write the equation

[tex]x^2 + y^2 = 1 + sin^2(xy)[/tex]

in polar form assuming

[tex]x = rcos(\phi)[/tex]
[tex]y = rsin(\phi)[/tex]

[tex]0<r, 0<= \phi < 2pi[/tex]

solve for r as a function of [itex]\phi[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution




[tex](rcos(\phi))^2 + (rsin(\phi))^2 = 1 + sin^2(r^2cos(\phi)sin(\phi))[/tex]

[tex]r^2(cos^2(\phi) + sin^2(\phi)) = 1 + sin^2(r^2cos(\phi)sin(\phi))[/tex]

[tex]r^2 = 1 + sin^2(r^2cos(\phi)sin(\phi))[/tex]

At this point I'm feeling pretty lost, since I have no idea how to get the all r:s alone on one side of the equation. More specifically I don't understand how to get them out of the trig function.
 
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Hello.
I continued your calculation. it should be
φ = 1/2 * arcsin [2 arcsin{sqrt(r^2 - 1)} / r^2 ]
Regards.
 
Thanks for the help, but I'm afraid I don't really understand exactly what you have done.

It looks like you applied arcsin twice as well as some other operations to solve for [itex]\phi[/itex] rather than r.

Wouldn't arcsin be a problem since that isn't defined for [0 to 2pi]?
 
Hi.
The function stands for both φ and -φ, i.e. even function or symmetric for x axis.
The function stands for both φ and π-φ, i.e. even function or symmetric for y axis.
The function stands for both φ and π/2-φ, i.e. symmetric for y=x
So you can narrow the range of φ to [0,π/4] in your estimation.
Regards.
 

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