X-ray emission from a klystron tube

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The discussion revolves around the potential for X-ray emission from a low power klystron tube, specifically one designed to operate at around 5W. Participants explore the implications of building such a device, including safety concerns regarding X-ray exposure and shielding methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a 5W klystron can produce X-rays, with one asserting that the operating voltages are too low for X-ray generation.
  • Others argue that klystrons, particularly in particle accelerators, are known to emit X-rays and require significant shielding.
  • There is mention of the 723A/B reflex klystron, which operates at lower voltages and reportedly does not require X-ray precautions.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of attempting to build a klystron without adequate knowledge, particularly regarding X-ray exposure and necessary shielding.
  • Participants express differing views on the feasibility of constructing a klystron, with some stating it is extremely difficult and potentially dangerous for an inexperienced builder.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a 5W klystron can produce harmful X-rays. There are competing views on the safety and feasibility of building such a device, with some asserting that it is possible while others emphasize the risks involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific operating conditions of different klystron models and their associated risks. Participants reference various voltage levels and safety measures without reaching a definitive conclusion on the safety of low power klystrons.

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So, I was thinking about building a low power klystron (around 5W.) I know this involves making an electron gun and electron guns can emit x-rays. I have a few questions:
1. Will 5W produce x-rays?
2. If so, what is a safe dosage of x-rays?
3. How can I shield myself and others from the x-rays produced?

The x-rays are an unwanted side effect.
 
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rpayne88 said:
So, I was thinking about building a low power klystron (around 5W.) I know this involves making an electron gun and electron guns can emit x-rays. I have a few questions:
1. Will 5W produce x-rays?
2. If so, what is a safe dosage of x-rays?
3. How can I shield myself and others from the x-rays produced?

The x-rays are an unwanted side effect.
The operating voltages of a klystron are too low to cause X-rays.
To build any sort of electron tube is extremely difficult, and a klystron would be impossible for you to make. Even good commercial ones are touchy to get going.
 
tech99 said:
The operating voltages of a klystron are too low to cause X-rays.

This is not true. Klystrons are RF sources for accelerating structures in particle accelerators. If you look at any of them at such a facility, they are heavily shielded.

To build any sort of electron tube is extremely difficult, and a klystron would be impossible for you to make. Even good commercial ones are touchy to get going.

That, I can definitely agree on.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
This is not true. Klystrons are RF sources for accelerating structures in particle accelerators. If you look at any of them at such a facility, they are heavily shielded.
That, I can definitely agree on.

Zz.
Of course, klystrons come in all sizes. But for instance, the very old 723A/B reflex klystron, which gives a watt or two of RF, uses ordinary receiver type power supplies, less than 1 kV and no X-Ray precautions were ever required.
 
tech99 said:
Of course, klystrons come in all sizes. But for instance, the very old 723A/B reflex klystron, which gives a watt or two of RF, uses ordinary receiver type power supplies, less than 1 kV and no X-Ray precautions were ever required.

I didn't say they aren't. But your statement made it sounds like klystrons physically are too low-powered to produce harmful radiation. This is false.

Zz.
 
tech99 said:
Of course, klystrons come in all sizes. But for instance, the very old 723A/B reflex klystron, which gives a watt or two of RF, uses ordinary receiver type power supplies, less than 1 kV and no X-Ray precautions were ever required.
Actually the voltages are rather lower than my memory was telling me - data sheet at this URL.
http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa0592.htm
 
tech99 said:
Actually the voltages are rather lower than my memory was telling me - data sheet at this URL.
http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa0592.htm
Thank you for telling me about high power klystrons. I do remember now that they are used for TV transmitters. But I do remember that they were not originally able to provide the high power required for airborne radar.
 
rpayne88 said:
2. If so, what is a safe dosage of x-rays?
3. How can I shield myself and others from the x-rays produced?
If you have to ask those questions, you clearly do not have the required knowledge to build such it safely. We won't help you to harm yourself here.
 
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