X-ray's can cause demagnetization?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of X-rays and other lasers potentially causing demagnetization in ferromagnetic materials. Participants explore the mechanisms behind this effect, its efficiency compared to other methods, and the underlying physics of magnetic dipole moments in relation to electromagnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express amazement at the ability of X-rays to demagnetize ferromagnets and seek further understanding of the underlying mechanisms.
  • There is a discussion about the role of strong electromagnetic fields in demagnetization, with some noting that light is a form of electromagnetism.
  • Participants question the definition of "effective" in the context of demagnetization methods and suggest that efficiency may depend on the specific magnet and application.
  • One participant explains that incoming light, if energetic enough, can alter the orientation of magnetic dipole moments, leading to demagnetization if the new orientation is random.
  • There is a query about the effect of photons on magnetic moments, with some participants discussing the concept of energy states and stable configurations of magnetic dipoles in ferromagnets.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the terminology used, particularly around the concept of "exciting" dipole moments and the number of stable configurations in ferromagnetic materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the terminology and concepts related to magnetic dipole moments and their configurations. There are competing views on how to describe the effects of photons on magnetization and the nature of stable states in ferromagnets.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the number of stable configurations for magnetic dipoles and the implications of energy states on magnetization. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and familiarity with the concepts involved.

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I found this my mistake, it's amazing how for a very short period of time, Xray(and other lasers) can demagnetize a ferromagnets. This is still under research, but how can this be? Can anyone share what they know about this?
Do you all think this is an effective method?
Could it be more efficient than all the others?

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...how can this be?
You know that a strong EM field can be used to demagnetize something right?
You know that light is electromagnetism right?

Do you all think this is an effective method?
Define "effective"? It works doesn't it?

Could it be more efficient than all the others?
... that would depend on the magnet and how the phenomenon were being used.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
You know that a strong EM field can be used to demagnetize something right?
You know that light is electromagnetism right?

Define "effective"? It works doesn't it?

... that would depend on the magnet and how the phenomenon were being used.

Yes I knew light was a product of both magnetic&electric field, but never knew it could do that... thanks.
 
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It's a matter of making the connection - the details will be in the paper.

The way to think of it is: electric and magnetic fields are each manifestations of an overall electromagnetic field - what you see depends on how you look at it.
 
I could not picture it...
What does a photon do to a moment exactly? Increases the energy thus causing demagnetization or...?
This is pretty new and weird for me to understand.
 
A magnetic dipole in an uneven magnetic field experiences a torque - so it's orientation can change.
This is one way you make ferromagnets. Do you know how things become magnetized to start with?

Thus the incoming light, if energetic enough, can knock a magnetic dipole moment into a new orientation.
If the new orientation is random, then a previously magnetized material will lose it's magnetization.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Do you know how things become magnetized to start with?
Yes.

Simon Bridge said:
Thus the incoming light, if energetic enough, can knock a magnetic dipole moment into a new orientation.
If the new orientation is random, then a previously magnetized material will lose it's magnetization.

I see the connection here, a photon would excite the dipole moment, since it was previously aligned it has a low energy state.
 
I don't know about "excite" - there would be several stable configurations for the magnetic dipoles in a ferro-magnet.
 
Simon Bridge said:
I don't know about "excite" - there would be several stable configurations for the magnetic dipoles in a ferro-magnet.

Giving it more energy - is this the right term? :-p
What seven stable configurations?
 
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What seven stable configurations?
I don't know about "excite" - there would be several stable configurations for the magnetic dipoles in a ferro-magnet.
... I didn't count them.
There would be a stable configuration in which the ferromaterial was not magnetized for instance.
 
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There are seveneral of them, perhaps?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
... I didn't count them.
There would be a stable configuration in which the ferromaterial was not magnetized for instance.

I'm sorry but your giving me puzzles here and I have no idea what you mean...
 
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Dash-IQ said:
I'm sorry but your giving me puzzles here and I have no idea what you mean...

Not everything made out of, say, iron, is a magnet.
But it may become magnetized.
Being magnetized is a stable state of the material.
Being non-magnetized is another stable state.
There are many combinations of magnetic moments that could lead to either state.
The details depend on the material.
 

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