Yes, I did read post 4 and it does make sense. Thank you for the clarification.

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The discussion revolves around a theorem concerning bounded sets in n-space, specifically addressing the selection of finite points within such sets to ensure coverage within a specified distance. The participants explore the implications of the set being closed versus merely bounded.

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  • Participants consider the use of compactness in proving the theorem. There is a discussion about the challenges posed when the set is not closed, particularly regarding boundary points. Some suggest a method of selecting points iteratively to cover the set, while others express uncertainty about the implications of the definitions and the logic of their attempts.

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There are various lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants questioning their understanding of the problem and the definitions involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of boundedness and the implications of closure, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note the distinction between being bounded and being bounded by a specific distance, which is a point of confusion. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the problem's requirements and the logic of their reasoning.

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Theorem: If S is any bounded set in n space, and d>0 is given, then it is possible to choose a finite set of points pi in S such that every point p existing in S is within a distance d of at least one of the points p1, p2, ..., pm.

Prove this theorem assuming that the set S is both closed and bounded.

Prove this theorem, assuming only that S is bounded. [The difficulty lies in showing that the points pi can be chosen in S itself.


The Attempt at a Solution



Let S be a bounded set in n-space. By definition, there exists an M such that |p|< M for all p E S and S is a subset of B(0, M). Take po and p E S. ...
 
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Use compactness?
 
Well, that's the problem, Dick. It is easy if S is closed but suppose S is not closed?

You could, in that case, look at the closure of S but then you run into the problem that some of the finite number of points you get are boundary points of S that are not in S itself.
 
Oh yeah. Pick a point p0 in S. If B(p0,d) doesn't cover S, pick a point p1 outside the ball. If the union of B(p0,d)UB(p1,d) doesn't cover S, pick a point p2 outside the union. Continue. Doesn't that make the balls B(pk,d/2) disjoint? What can you conclude from that?
 
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cookiesyum said:
For the proof if S is closed, would the following be correct logic?

Let S be a closed and bounded set. By definition, there exists a d such that |p|< d for all pES and S is a subset of B(0,d) and Rn\S is an open set. Pick two points pES and poES. Then, |p-po| < d. Hence, every point pES is within d of at least one other point.

I feel like I'm missing something huge. I don't think I really understand the problem.

The problem doesn't say that the set is bounded by d. It just says that it's bounded. d is a given number. Do what you did before and just say that there is an M such that |p|<M for all p in S.
 
Dick said:
The problem doesn't say that the set is bounded by d. It just says that it's bounded. d is a given number. Do what you did before and just say that there is an M such that |p|<M for all p in S.

I guess I don't know where to go after that though? Take p and poES. Say the distance between them is some d >0. Show that the distance between them and another point pm is also d? But how?
 
cookiesyum said:
I guess I don't know where to go after that though? Take p and poES. Say the distance between them is some d >0. Show that the distance between them and another point pm is also d? But how?

Did you read post 4? Did it make sense?
 

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