Yes, the derivative of log(x) is 1/x.

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The derivative of the logarithm function, specifically log(x), is confirmed to be 1/x. In the context of calculating the standard error for log(a) derived from the equation log(a) = log(b) + c, the standard error can be computed using the formula Δf = sqrt((∂f/∂b)² Δb² + (∂f/∂c)² Δc²). The discussion emphasizes the importance of using partial derivatives to combine errors in quadrature for functions involving multiple variables, providing a more analytical approach than Monte Carlo simulations.

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Hi, this isn't exactly a homework question, but this seemed like the most appropriate place to put it.

Homework Statement


I have an equation in the form:
log(a)=log(b)+c.
I also have standard errors (SEMs) for b and c. I want to find the standard error for log(a) (i.e. log(a) +/- E(log(a)))

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I know the SEM of some quantity x, where x:=y+z, is given by Ex=sqrt(Ey^2+Ez^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


The problem is really trying to find the error of the log.

In high school I would have solved it by choseing the largest of:
abs(log(b+Eb)-log(b)) and abs(log(b-Eb)-log(b)), where Eb is the SEM of b.
if we let this be g then
E(log(a))=sqrt(g^2+Ec^2)

However, given I am doing uni research I am not sure whether this would be acceptable.

I have also considered making a Monte-Carlo simulation of the problem. Drawing random numbers from the distributions b~N(b,Eb) and c~N(c,Ec) and finding the mean and standard deviation of the simulation. However I would like to get an analytical solution.Thanks in advance if anyone can help me out
 
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When you have a function of several variables with errors a common approach is to take partial derivatives of the function with respect to each variable and then combine the errors in quadrature.

Say you have ##f(a,b,c)## with ##a ± Δa##, ##b ± Δb##, and ##c ± Δc##. Then the total error is given by:

$$Δf = \sqrt{\left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial a}\right)^2 Δa^2 + \left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial b}\right)^2 Δb^2 + \left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial c}\right)^2 Δc^2 }$$

Do you remember how to differentiate the log function?
 

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