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Ahh, I get it now - you think by blocking and un-blocking a magnetic field you can get free energyin a sort of powerles motor. Very, very common hoax/error: you can't, but maybe you need to build it before you believe it...Arsonade said:My main question is, is there an alloy or metal that can block a magnetic field?
russ_watters said:Ahh, I get it now - you think by blocking and un-blocking a magnetic field you can get free energyin a sort of powerles motor. Very, very common hoax/error: you can't, but maybe you need to build it before you believe it...
Gokul43201 said:You can completely shield a magnetic field using a superconductor. Nothing else will work.
Gokul43201 said:The best (highest Tc) superconductors around work only at about 140K (that's nearly -200F) !
Ravenlock said:I just can't take a guy seriously who says he has invented a PMM, yet continually spells patent wrong.
Ravenlock
Not lying, just wrong. It really should tell you something that we can be so confident that you are wrong without knowing much of anything about your device. You have made an error and you need to find it before you waste any more time/money in this pursuit. Pursuing a patent will get expensive.Arsonade said:lol now there's na excuse, i have the soulution to worldwide cheep clean energy and this guy thinks I am lying cause i made some spelling mistakes...
russ_watters said:Not lying, just wrong. It really should tell you something that we can be so confident that you are wrong without knowing much of anything about your device. You have made an error and you need to find it before you waste any more time/money in this pursuit. Pursuing a patent will get expensive.
Have you at least researched to compare your device to other PMMs?
To help you focus, what you are looking for are 1st law of thermo issues. Don't bother with friction, acceleration, and other losses, they are 2nd law issues. What prevents PPMs from creating useful work is the 1st law: Pout=Pin. The fact that your calculations come up with a non-zero net (>100% efficiency) means you are either neglecting a source of input or a source of internal consumption. A typical thermodynamic engine, for example, has an efficiency of around 35%, before you even consider losses. Electrical devices have a theoretical maximum efficiency of 100%.Arsonade said:friction, power source, acceleration, ect, all problems that mine has managed to get through...
Ravenlock said:Here is a actual quote from the US Patent Office regarding PPM's
"The views of the Patent Office are in accord with those scientists who have investigated the subject and are to the effect that such devices are physical impossibilities. The position of the Office can only be rebutted by a working model. ... The Office hesitates to accept fees from applicants who believe they have discovered Perpetual Motion, and deems it only fair to give such applicants a word of warning that fees cannot be recovered after the case has been considered by the Examiner"
I just thought that was interesting.
russ_watters said:To help you focus, what you are looking for are 1st law of thermo issues. Don't bother with friction, acceleration, and other losses, they are 2nd law issues. What prevents PPMs from creating useful work is the 1st law: Pout=Pin. The fact that your calculations come up with a non-zero net (>100% efficiency) means you are either neglecting a source of input or a source of internal consumption. A typical thermodynamic engine, for example, has an efficiency of around 35%, before you even consider losses. Electrical devices have a theoretical maximum efficiency of 100%.
I may have suggested this before, but a cheap way to fix this would be to hire an electrical engineer for an hour or two, with a written contract stating that he can't market your device. He'd likely find your error in 5 minutes and charge you $125 for the whole hour, but it'd save you a ton of time and money in the long run.
ram1024 said:or build the device yourself out of popsicle sticks and elmer's. nothing like first hand experience to remove all doubt...
If it doesn't work at above 100% efficiency then it doesn't output more than is put in and it isn't a PMM. If its just a >1 C.O.P., (like a heat pump or a hydroelectric dam) then it isn't perpetual motion.Arsonade said:Now hold on, i never said that it worked at 100% efficiancy, i said that it was close, there is very little error available in the design and therefore works relitively efficiant.
Ask whatever type of scientist/engineer that would understand the energy input/conversion. I was getting the picture that you have a fancy circuit of some sort that makes it appear you are getting more out than is being put in. That's why I suggested an EE.would that be more expensive that asking a physisist? and the electronics are not really the problem, the only elctic component is the generator.
ArmoSkater87 said:u can't use magnets for a perpetual motion machine, magnet (permanent ones) wear off over time. Eletromagnets are a whole different story, and obviously can't be used for perpetual motion.
ram1024 said:use smaller magnets.
if it works on a small scale it'll work on a larger scale as well. nothing says your machine has to be house-sized ;D
russ_watters said:If it doesn't work at above 100% efficiency then it doesn't output more than is put in and it isn't a PMM. If its just a >1 C.O.P., (like a heat pump or a hydroelectric dam) then it isn't perpetual motion. Ask whatever type of scientist/engineer that would understand the energy input/conversion. I was getting the picture that you have a fancy circuit of some sort that makes it appear you are getting more out than is being put in. That's why I suggested an EE.
May I ask what type of energy you have for an input?
jammieg said:The universe is in itself a perpetual motion machine, I'll bet with many more undiscovered ways of tapping into it's energy and manipulating it.
Vern said:Ok; let me guess.
We take an electric motor, connect it to an electrical generator, connect the output of the generator to a step-up voltage transformer with a low voltage tap connected to the motor. The low voltage tap is designed to be the correct voltage for the motor. Then we take the high voltage output of the step-up transformer and power the world with it.
This one comes from folks who learn a little something about voltage transformers but don't understand how power works. It is very common; there's even a patent on it; it doesn't work, of course.
Vern