You guys are gonna think im either stupid or crazy

[Arsonade]

Adam,

The light speed comes from the interaction of electricity and magnetism in outer space, the vacuum. But this interaction is always less than light speed inside matter such as a machine that you built. The two main properties of this interaction are the permeability of the magnetic materials (current density) and the permittivity of the electrical components (voltages).

The next critical thing to consider is the power output of the machine. Power is the product of the current and the voltage. This is different in both DC and AC circuits. Power is the determining factor in knowing whether the machine can do all the works needed to run other electromotive machineries such as a dishwahser, etc.

FYI: every elementary particle like electron (unit of electricity), neutrinos do possesses magnetic moment. So in a sense they are all PMMs.

Well so much for inveting somthing that doesn't copy anything in nature lol, but that's besides the point. Power output would, by my experiments, be very high, the axle would most likely spin much like a car's wheel's going maybe...im going to say 50-60 mph. it would also have very close to the force in a car moter; strong, and this would just be the model, The actuall PMM, after i get a pattent and get enough money to start a company (if this does work there's no way I am selling it to some major company and then loose controll over it), the actull PMMs or Perpetual Power Plants (PPP) as i would call them, would be relitively huge, i do not have the details with me at the moment but if i renembr the actual would be about 10, 20, 30, or maybe 40 meters in height, very big, but it should produce more than enough electricity to power a city such as New York. The power output however is not the essecial factor, its just the way to make money off of it.

Adam

P.S. and by the way, the fact that this thing takes in no fuel would bring the energy cost down a lot, this energy would probably be cheaper than many used now.

 

[Antonio Lao]

Have you approach any prospective iinvestor? Or are you going to finance it yourself?

 

[MiGUi]

Ok, if you put a satellite in orbit, being in rest, it will come back to the Earth due to gravity. If you use a magnetic field to rule your machine, it can't be a PMM, because disipative forces exists and the energy which uses can not be back. A PMM don't need to take outter energy for its movement.

In case that your magnets were trully permanent (something which I doubt, due to magnetic hysteresis), you don't have a PMM.

You don't want to understand the meaning of a PMM. Learn a bit of thermodynamics before reply.

 

[Arsonade]

Ok, if you put a satellite in orbit, being in rest, it will come back to the Earth due to gravity. If you use a magnetic field to rule your machine, it can't be a PMM, because disipative forces exists and the energy which uses can not be back. A PMM don't need to take outter energy for its movement.

In case that your magnets were trully permanent (something which I doubt, due to magnetic hysteresis), you don't have a PMM.

You don't want to understand the meaning of a PMM. Learn a bit of thermodynamics before reply.

Man i am sorry but i don't think you understand me here, gravity is not an problem with this PMM, it has been neutralized to friction, I know Thermo dynamics I've been studying it for a while so i would be prepared to reply to any and all posts, the magnets are truly permanent, and my PMM does not need to take energy from another source, I've never said that and to do so would prove my invention as a hoax.

Adam

P.S. and the fact that you even sugested i "don't want to understand the meaning of a PMM" makes me sick.

 

[Arsonade]

Have you approach any prospective iinvestor? Or are you going to finance it yourself?

Now i realize that i shouldn't count all my chicken before they hatch, but i have given this a lot of thought, I think that i will try to get a loan, i have a strong fealing that if i get this thing built on the scale that it would need to be, i could pay back the debt in 2 to 3 years from construction. Financing it myself would prove to be extremely hard, the model itself will wind up costing a lot, but a full size model, i could work for years and not get that much money. The fact is that i don't want to sell it to a company of any sort, if this thing works, GE, Duracell, in fact almost any company out there will be making offers of billion, the fact is, i would make a lot more, and have a lot more fun with it if i was in controll.

Adam

P.S. i realize that this sounds conceded or overconfident to be worying about these things, but if my PMM works, whitch it will, it will be beter to have given this consideration then to have not.

 

[Antonio Lao]

Adam,

Looks like you are in control of the whole situation. It is admirable for me to know that someone like you has mastered his own destiny unlike other less fortunate mortals like me.

 

[Arsonade]

Adam,

Looks like you are in control of the whole situation. It is admirable for me to know that someone like you has mastered his own destiny unlike other less fortunate mortals like me.

...im assuming youre being sarcastic, but either way, thanks, if everybody out there want to keep sending replys, be my guest, to those that did reply, your critisisim, doubts, and questioning have allowed me to perfect my PMM and also find ways to counter this critisisim. I am not so sure about me "mastering my own destiny", but i do my best lol. as for the "less fortunate mortals", i don't think i want to know.

Adam

P.S. ill still be checking replys dailly, i hope that this is not the last of the replys, You guys are really the most well read in physics i have ever met, half of the things that you mentioned i had to go look up, hoping i could still counter the argument. Thanks.

P.P.S. Bluedige, for some reason i couldn't reply to your mail, the computer for some reason wouldn't let me, do you have an aternate e-mail?

 

[Antonio Lao]

Adam,

Just what a PMM is forever, I would like to live forever. Maybe someday I can save enough money to buy one of your PMMs, only hope by that time inflation does not make your PMM next to priceless.

 

[Arsonade]

Adam,

Just what a PMM is forever, I would like to live forever. Maybe someday I can save enough money to buy one of your PMMs, only hope by that time inflation does not make your PMM next to priceless.

kind of a legasy huh man. either way, model PMMs would not be that hard to mke, but of corse the class of truly perpetual PMMs would look a lot like a block of lead with wires coming out of it lol, but the PMM that would die out in a few hundred-thousond years would probably look preaty cool. Whitchever one it is, ill send you one when i make it. Thanks for the confidence, critizisim, and all around help, its more than paid for a PMM.

Adam

P.S. Inflation...hmmm...i have considered one flaw, when i relece this PMM onto the world, well, truly clean, cheep, all around perfect energy, no self respecting city or town would bother with any other kind, excepting dams and maybe wind power, the PMM being more efficient. I expect my mechine will put a lot of people out of work, imagine, the recent quest for oil in the middle east, found to be worthless. Ill be praised by enviormentaists and damned by almost everyone elce, who knows, Too many factors even for a physisist.

 

[ram2048]

i'm not sure myself but i thought perpetual motion machine meant that you put energy into it once and it would continue forever, not that it got its motive energy from an infinite or permanent source.

if you're getting your energy from magnets then what you have is a magnetic motion machine, not a perpetual motion machine.

if you're putting power into a closed system and the net result is some form of positive "work" such that you remove the power and work continues "perpetually" then you would have a PMM.

i designed a perpetual motion machine once but never got around to building it.

consisted of magnets, a surface almost frictionless, and some toggles.

[N-o-S] (_____________________[N---S]__)[S-o-N]

3 magnets, 2 on the outside and one inside a near frictionless container.

the magnet in the center would move away from the "like pole" on the right and accelerate to the other end attracted to the opposing pole. when it hit the end it would also hit a toggle that would rotate the magnets on both ends 180 degrees. maybe add some springs in the ends of the tubes to return some of the force from hitting the ends.

in any case when i presented this as a PMM to my physics prof he said it wouldn't be a real PMM because it uses magnetic force

 

[Antonio Lao]

Too many factors even for a physisist.

Not for an economist. For him, the more factors there are the merrier it gets. These factors are what keep them busy and employed. They even can win the Nobel Prize. So all economists won't like what your machine can do.

 

[Arsonade]

i'm not sure myself but i thought perpetual motion machine meant that you put energy into it once and it would continue forever, not that it got its motive energy from an infinite or permanent source.

if you're getting your energy from magnets then what you have is a magnetic motion machine, not a perpetual motion machine.

if you're putting power into a closed system and the net result is some form of positive "work" such that you remove the power and work continues "perpetually" then you would have a PMM.

i designed a perpetual motion machine once but never got around to building it.

consisted of magnets, a surface almost frictionless, and some toggles.

[N-o-S] (_____________________[N---S]__)[S-o-N]

3 magnets, 2 on the outside and one inside a near frictionless container.

the magnet in the center would move away from the "like pole" on the right and accelerate to the other end attracted to the opposing pole. when it hit the end it would also hit a toggle that would rotate the magnets on both ends 180 degrees. maybe add some springs in the ends of the tubes to return some of the force from hitting the ends.

in any case when i presented this as a PMM to my physics prof he said it wouldn't be a real PMM because it uses magnetic force

First of all, where does it say that a perpetual motion mechine cannot use magnetic force? why not? it the thing runs forever and give off electricity, who cares what's making it go providing that it is self contained? fine, if you would like to put the definition of "magnetic motion mechine" go right ahead, the fact is that this thing runs forever and gives off energy forever, I see no reason why a PMM can't use magnetic force."i'm not sure myself but i thought perpetual motion machine meant that you put energy into it once and it would continue forever" no, that's not a nececaty.

Adam

P.S. hey, you know what, i know why ur PMM wouldn't work, it would require more energy to flip those two magnets than could possibly be produced in getting the centrel magnet to move, thin bout it, if there's a north and south pole together, the energy produced will not be nearly enough to flip one over against it's "will", plus flip the magnet on the other side, no, this PMM wouldn't work, it would take too much energy to flip the magnets.

P.P.S by the way, you may have it in a vacume, but the thing that that central magnet is sliding on provides friction, evertually, if the outer magnets did flip, the constant force of the magnet smashing into the side of the containor coupled with the drag of the central magnet on the floor of the containor would eventually smash your centrel magnets to bits. bottomline- this PMMidea has more holes in it than swiss cheese in a gun fight, sorry.

 

[Arsonade]

Not for an economist. For him, the more factors there are the merrier it gets. These factors are what keep them busy and employed. They even can win the Nobel Prize. So all economists won't like what your machine can do.

well, honestly, what would happen is that money would be taken away from almost all energy situations except for maybe dams and wind power, instead to be replaced my me. It would not be a monopoly because no one would be forced to use my source of energy, it would just be more efficient, less wastefull, and cheeper than everything elce.

Adam

 

[Antonio Lao]

That's the promise land in this ocean of energy instability!

 

[Arsonade]

That's the promise land in this ocean of energy instability!

I sure hope so lol, only if i can get the money and the pattent needed to get us all there.

Adam

 

[Antonio Lao]

I'll be hoping to see you in the land of enchanting PMMs, if I live long enough, since I'm not wearing the ring of power or immortality like what Frodo Baggins had done.

 

[Arsonade]

I'll be hoping to see you in the land of enchanting PMMs, if I live long enough, since I'm not wearing the ring of power or immortality like what Frodo Baggins had done.

lol man I am just going to assume ur not makin fun of me aight lol, i think that after i get a car/insurence ect, ill start gettin $ together for the parts,it'l be a chalenge but i can do this.

Adam

 

[Antonio Lao]

May the force be with you, always.

 

[Arsonade]

May the force be with you, always.

...lol ok

Adam

 

[Antonio Lao]

The vacuum is the opposite to your PMM. The vacuum is a machine of perpetual no motion but the mystery is that it can still fluctuate. And this fluctuation is also perpetual.

The vacuum does contain an infinite amount of zero-point energy. If these can be added together then it is the same as a PMM. Right now nobody know how to add all these zero-point energy. This is because energy density as a physical concept cannot be quantified by addition.

 

[Arsonade]

The vacuum is the opposite to your PMM. The vacuum is a machine of perpetual no motion but the mystery is that it can still fluctuate. And this fluctuation is also perpetual.

The vacuum does contain an infinite amount of zero-point energy. If these can be added together then it is the same as a PMM. Right now nobody know how to add all these zero-point energy. This is because energy density as a physical concept cannot be quantified by addition.

Im not sure where this particular convo came from but i do know that hundeds of microscopic particles pop in and out of existence canstantly in vacumes, is that what you meen? and what does this have to do w/ my PMM?

Adam

 

[Antonio Lao]

A force cannot be detected within the vacuum. So it's a no-force situation. On the hand, a PMM, at the least, has to have a constant force forever.

 

[Arsonade]

A force cannot be detected within the vacuum. So it's a no-force situation. On the hand, a PMM, at the least, has to have a constant force forever.

are you trying to tell me that in a vacuum there can be no magnetic force? and if so why in the world is that? magnets don't need air or a certain amount of presure to work

Adam

 

[baffledMatt]

Interesting thread.

Adam, I think you really should go to an open minded professional physicist you trust, make them sign a non-disclosure form (just in case?), and have them take you through why it won't work. If you turn out to be right then good for you and I wish you every success and Nobel prize (at least physics and peace will be yours) in the future. And if you are wrong then hopefully you should really learn something from the experience - not to mention a bucket load of physics.

Just remember that we all learn from our mistakes!

Matt

p.s. if you don't know how to write/obtain a non-disclosure form simply ask the professional physicist as this is the sort of thing they often deal with as part of their job.

 

[Arsonade]

Interesting thread.

Adam, I think you really should go to an open minded professional physicist you trust, make them sign a non-disclosure form (just in case?), and have them take you through why it won't work. If you turn out to be right then good for you and I wish you every success and Nobel prize (at least physics and peace will be yours) in the future. And if you are wrong then hopefully you should really learn something from the experience - not to mention a bucket load of physics.

Just remember that we all learn from our mistakes!

Matt

p.s. if you don't know how to write/obtain a non-disclosure form simply ask the professional physicist as this is the sort of thing they often deal with as part of their job.

Thanks i will, unfortunatly i have yet to meet a physisist i can trust because other than you guys i know no physicists lol. I honestly have looked at this problem at every posible angle and i truly believe that i have it, Now i do actually know someone in the statistics department of physics whom i can most likely trst, but I am not sure he would be the right person to ask, any ideas on this?

Adam

 

[baffledMatt]

Thanks i will, unfortunatly i have yet to meet a physisist i can trust because other than you guys i know no physicists lol

Trusting the physicist is not your biggest concern as a properly written non-disclosure should protect you pretty well. Your main problem will be finding someone willing to take the time to look at the thing and then have the patience to explain to your satisfaction why it won't work. Sounds like your statistics person may be able to help locate someone perhaps?

I honestly have looked at this problem at every posible angle and i truly believe that i have it

Which is why it is so important you find out why you are wrong.

Well, good luck anyway.

Matt

 

[Antonio Lao]

are you trying to tell me that in a vacuum there can be no magnetic force? and if so why in the world is that? magnets don't need air or a certain amount of presure to work

The magnetic field of the vacuum cannot be separated from the electric field. Both appear together as electromagnetic field of the vacuum where both

\nabla \cdot E = 0

and

\nabla \cdot B = 0

That is to say that both electric and magnetic field are sourceless. The charge density is zero and the current density is also zero in vacuum. In matter, it's a different story altogether.

 

[baffledMatt]

are you trying to tell me that in a vacuum there can be no magnetic force? and if so why in the world is that? magnets don't need air or a certain amount of presure to work

And to further confound matters you can even have 'EM' effects when there is no E or B field at all! This leads to something called the Aharonov Bohm effect which was predicted in the late 50's and observed in the 80's. Pretty weird stuff.

Matt

 

[Arsonade]

The magnetic field of the vacuum cannot be separated from the electric field. Both appear together as electromagnetic field of the vacuum where both

\nabla \cdot E = 0

and

\nabla \cdot B = 0

That is to say that both electric and magnetic field are sourceless. The charge density is zero and the current density is also zero in vacuum. In matter, it's a different story altogether.

"And to further confound matters you can even have 'EM' effects when there is no E or B field at all! This leads to something called the Aharonov Bohm effect which was predicted in the late 50's and observed in the 80's. Pretty weird stuff.

Matt"


im still not completely sure of your points, magnets have worked in vacumes before.

Adam

 

[Arsonade]

Trusting the physicist is not your biggest concern as a properly written non-disclosure should protect you pretty well. Your main problem will be finding someone willing to take the time to look at the thing and then have the patience to explain to your satisfaction why it won't work. Sounds like your statistics person may be able to help locate someone perhaps?



Which is why it is so important you find out why you are wrong.

Well, good luck anyway.

Matt

Ya ok thanks ill do that

Adam

 

[energia]

you could call my girlfriend's mouth a perpetual motion machine

 

[Arsonade]

you could call my girlfriend's mouth a perpetual motion machine

ya but i think only you could harness that energy lolololol

Adam

 

[Antonio Lao]

Without going too far afield, the stars are really PMMs. They are sustained by very strong magnetic field to balance the forces from gravity and radiation.

 

[Arsonade]

Without going too far afield, the stars are really PMMs. They are sustained by very strong magnetic field to balance the forces from gravity and radiation.

lol no theyre not, stars will either burn up or explode, they don't last forever, if you meen the process of stars exploding, then forming nebulas, then forming new stars being perpetual, yeah i guess, but then, isn't the water cycle also pertpetual motion? those are very general descriptions of Perpetual motion.

Adam

 

[berty]

Fully closed system or not?

i know about einstein's theory of relativity and the first 2 laws of thermodynamics, but believe it or not i have made a perpetual motion mechine. at this point, i bet most of you are thinking about closing this message, but i really would like some feedback on your reasoning about my invention

For a perpetual motion machine to work you have to satisfy all the restraints placed on such a machine by the laws of physics, especially entropy. This means that you have to take into account all the factors present in the only fully closed system we know of which is the entire Universe. When all relevant factors are considered, it is discovered that it is never possible to extract more energy from such a machine than is lost.
But is this strictly true .....?

As various respondents have pointed out the Universe has no actual edge. Therefore, as the initial expansion of the Universe was faster than light, there is probably something beyond the "event horizon" of the Universe.

If this is true can the Universe be accurately described as being fully closed?

Also, would it be possible that under this premise entropy may not always lead to complete disorder and that it may, in principle, be possible to a contruct a perpetual motion machine?

 

[Antonio Lao]

Malfunction stars explode because they are sick. The balance of forces cannot be maintained. All machines, artificial (man-made) or natural, are subject to imperfection, defect, internal flaw, and chemical impurities, crystal lattice deformation and many other imperfections of structural configuration. In this sense, even the universe is not perfect. The universe will eventually suffer the consequence of the "heat death" at maximum entropy. Then it will start to contract.

 

[Arsonade]

For a perpetual motion machine to work you have to satisfy all the restraints placed on such a machine by the laws of physics, especially entropy. This means that you have to take into account all the factors present in the only fully closed system we know of which is the entire Universe. When all relevant factors are considered, it is discovered that it is never possible to extract more energy from such a machine than is lost.
But is this strictly true .....?

As various respondents have pointed out the Universe has no actual edge. Therefore, as the initial expansion of the Universe was faster than light, there is probably something beyond the "event horizon" of the Universe.

If this is true can the Universe be accurately described as being fully closed?

Also, would it be possible that under this premise entropy may not always lead to complete disorder and that it may, in principle, be possible to a contruct a perpetual motion machine?

Have you read the rest of this post yet? entropy has come up, yes this is in a closed system, i recognise your logic that there really is no such thing as a closed system, but it only needs to be relitively closed so that air cannot get in and that if aitr does get in, it is imidiatly sucked out. my PMM would not put out as much energy as was put into it in say a minute, but it would keep going, for example, let's say that the energy in the magnets used are 12,000 watts, my PMM would probably put out only 10,000 watts, the point is however, while the 12,000 watts is applied ony once to the magnets, it keeps the flow of 10,000 watts flowing long after the first 12,000 are created, its like I am getting as much energy as i can and then hitting the reset buton, not losing the energy intiially put out.

Adam

P.S. if this confused anyone, i am just saying that it would take a short amount of time to create the same amount of energy that went into making these magnets, but after the amount of energy has been met, it will continue to give off energy, thus creating more energy than put into the magnets.

 

[Arsonade]

Malfunction stars explode because they are sick. The balance of forces cannot be maintained. All machines, artificial (man-made) or natural, are subject to imperfection, defect, internal flaw, and chemical impurities, crystal lattice deformation and many other imperfections of structural configuration. In this sense, even the universe is not perfect. The universe will eventually suffer the consequence of the "heat death" at maximum entropy. Then it will start to contract.

...ok...but what does this have to do with my PMM?

Adam

 

[Alkatran]

So, let me get this straight. You're Perpetual motion machine, which is powered by magnets (a magnetic field requires an electric current?), is given X energy then gives out Y energy/sec.

I can't think of any way to do this. How are you supposed to get the energy out? Wouldn't this mean taking energy from the contraption? Wouldn't this have the opposite effect of giving the contraption energy (slowing it down, instead of speeding it up).

I submit that if it worked the way you said, it wouldn't gain energy due to energy being entered, for the same reason it woudn't lose energy from having energy harnessed from it.

 

[Antonio Lao]

...ok...but what does this have to do with my PMM?

When the universe dies, so will your PMM.

 

[Arsonade]

So, let me get this straight. You're Perpetual motion machine, which is powered by magnets (a magnetic field requires an electric current?), is given X energy then gives out Y energy/sec.

I can't think of any way to do this. How are you supposed to get the energy out? Wouldn't this mean taking energy from the contraption? Wouldn't this have the opposite effect of giving the contraption energy (slowing it down, instead of speeding it up).

I submit that if it worked the way you said, it wouldn't gain energy due to energy being entered, for the same reason it woudn't lose energy from having energy harnessed from it.

no no, you misunderstand me here, these magnets are charged yes but they do not need a continual hookup to stay magnitised, they are not electromagnets, what i was basicly saying was that initialy, the power used to make it would not be over the power given out, but the power given out would last forver so it would become greater in a very short time. as for your ideas of aking out energy, I am afraid youre going to have to take my word, given no friction, this thing would keep accelerating untuill it exploded, with a turbine attached, the right amount of friction would be provided to keep it going at a steady pace.

Adam

 

[Arsonade]

When the universe dies, so will your PMM.

lol well yeah, but i think that we can disregard that, if the univerce ends there won't really be a need for my PMM will there?

Adam

 

[Simon666]

Do Al Qaeda a favor and couple the output to the input, due to an exponential increase in released energy, perhaps you blast the US from the map.

 

[Arsonade]

lololololololololol

Do Al Qaeda a favor and couple the output to the input, due to an exponential increase in released energy, perhaps you blast the US from the map.

lolololololol no seriosly this is the funnyist post I've seen lol, I am a terrorist for making a PMM, that's a new one, but ok seriosly I am assumingthat you are referring to the explosion i mentioned, indeed the full size version without restricions could do serios damage to anything but neither the model version nor the full size would have nearly enough power to destrow the USA or any country for that matter, id say that restrictions could be placed upon the full sized such as very thick walls, ect.and that danger would not be a problem, anything that could go wrong however would have to be attributed to human error, sorry for laughing before but seriosly i was in no way expecting that kind of reaction. if you want my veiws on polotics you'll have to IM me (AdamChess4). secondly there is no input! the imput happens many many miles away somewhere elce where these magnets are manufactured, that's the imput, i buy the Magnets, that's it, it does take a large amount of energy to make these magnets, but like i have said, i will definatly be creating more energy than needed. technically if my company grows big enough (realize I am thinking way far ahead of myself) then yes, the output may be used for the imput of energy into these things, the point is, the imput is a one time, then done thing, the output lasts as long as the mechine stays intact, thus, a Perpetual motion mechine.

Adam

P.S. blasting the US from the map is not exactly on my to do list lol

 

[Simon666]

I was just kidding. ;) You do realize however that is what would/could happen if overunity machines would exist?

 

[Antonio Lao]

...the output to the input, due to an exponential increase in released energy...

The quantum theory has already settled this problem with exponential increase of energy similar to the ultraviolet catastrophe. The result is the quantum theory of radiation in the blackbody experiments done by Planck at the turn of the century.

Nuclear fission does have its uncontrolled chain reaction in the production of neutron and its simultaneous release of energy but what's needed is the critical mass of the fissionable material which have to go into a complex process of preparation and refinement and purification, a laborous and time consuming process.

Nuclear fusion does have its promise of insurmountable energy production. This is based on implosion in contrast to explosion. Many nations are currently doing research in this area of future energy source.

 

[Arsonade]

I was just kidding. ;) You do realize however that is what would/could happen if overunity machines would exist?

ok, yeah i do, i know that the economy would be thrown into a huricane, almost everything centered to energy would be effected drasticly, there would be a lot of people out of wrk because while it would take a large amount of labor to produce one of these, taking care of it would not be a big expence, the only people needed would be monitors to check in case the mechine breaks due to some human error, and technitions on call 24/7 to fix it, that's it. Overall however, the PMM would help everyone, it would be cheeper energy, and truly clean energy.

Adam

 

[baffledMatt]

Well, as sceptical as I am of your 'PMM', I really hope you do make it work because it might just stop all these bloody war-for-oil things I hear so much about.

Matt

 

[farmerTom]

A PPM may not truly exist especially if certain arreys of magnets are present. You would have to take the value of the stored energy into account, but being able to generate more energy than an alternator or generator uses is quite posible. But you'll probably find out that after you factor in all the varibles its not over/anything for free. Call it what you want, I'ld probably be more inclined to call mine an improvement on said existing device.

I do know of 2 machines in existence, both with some bugs. When you seek help, instead of assistance you'll get quotes about the 3rd law of thermodynamics, and any other physical law that was devised by 3 old men with a coal fired steam engine as a test bench. Forget about digital controled, forget about recent tech advances, forget about an original concept, because its easier for most ppl to just say no and quote someone then it is to actually help you.

Do be carefull as to whom and what you are discussing this with, pll like to take things. They also like to keep what they got. With an oilmans economy and a oilman president in the US right now you may meet a little sceptisism.

Ok...

Ussually in an electrical generating device you'll encounter a host of things that offer resistance between your goal and what you started with. Bearings and the air are a real drag, overcoming as much as u can here will help u achive a plus #. Copper loss, no superconducters are available at the moment that'll work at room temperature or above, so with that added we have a resistance in our electrical loop. Heat from resistance of any type also wreaks havoc on a curcuit either it be mechanical or electrical. Heat in an electric curcuit can be devistating, form a sort of inductor, and also make a rather nice resister cause electric conductors can only move so many electrons and if they are bouncing at random like heat there goes that + for your machine.

The key notes:

1)friction from bearings
2)friction from air
3)poor electrical conectors (to much resistance)
4)heat

Some other things that can effect a spinning type machine ar poor 3d balanceing...aka angular momentum. It'll put an extra drag on most bearing types and is had to counter, or balance out.

Anyway if you need a better explanation, or would like to discuss this in a non-obvious way reply. I'm working on a series of optimations for an alternator type machine, its unreal at the amount of things ppl miss when they just except what now is as what will be 4ever, welcome to the 21st century folks.....

 

[farmerTom]

A liitle extra, can't call this a theory though:


I wonder if a magnet is stored energy, or a device that merely channels/aligns energy that is external its self?

Is a super conductor posible with an organic molecule...posiblably a oil dirivative...
would a mutable matrix be better suited for conducting a certain frequency range?

heres Johnny:

http://www.uspto.gov/