farmerTom said:
A PPM may not truly exist especially if certain arreys of magnets are present. You would have to take the value of the stored energy into account, but being able to generate more energy than an alternator or generator uses is quite posible. But you'll probably find out that after you factor in all the varibles its not over/anything for free. Call it what you want, I'ld probably be more inclined to call mine an improvement on said existing device.
I do know of 2 machines in existence, both with some bugs. When you seek help, instead of assistance you'll get quotes about the 3rd law of thermodynamics, and any other physical law that was devised by 3 old men with a coal fired steam engine as a test bench. Forget about digital controled, forget about recent tech advances, forget about an original concept, because its easier for most ppl to just say no and quote someone then it is to actually help you.
Do be carefull as to whom and what you are discussing this with, pll like to take things. They also like to keep what they got. With an oilmans economy and a oilman president in the US right now you may meet a little sceptisism.
Ok...
Ussually in an electrical generating device you'll encounter a host of things that offer resistance between your goal and what you started with. Bearings and the air are a real drag, overcoming as much as u can here will help u achive a plus #. Copper loss, no superconducters are available at the moment that'll work at room temperature or above, so with that added we have a resistance in our electrical loop. Heat from resistance of any type also wreaks havoc on a curcuit either it be mechanical or electrical. Heat in an electric curcuit can be devistating, form a sort of inductor, and also make a rather nice resister cause electric conductors can only move so many electrons and if they are bouncing at random like heat there goes that + for your machine.
The key notes:
1)friction from bearings
2)friction from air
3)poor electrical conectors (to much resistance)
4)heat
Some other things that can effect a spinning type machine ar poor 3d balanceing...aka angular momentum. It'll put an extra drag on most bearing types and is had to counter, or balance out.
Anyway if you need a better explanation, or would like to discuss this in a non-obvious way reply. I'm working on a series of optimations for an alternator type machine, its unreal at the amount of things ppl miss when they just except what now is as what will be 4ever, welcome to the 21st century folks.....
man you are cool, first of all, i completely understand what you meen, when i first told people that i made a PMM the first thing that was shot at me was the laws of thermodynamics, it didn't matter if the mechine made sense or not, it didn't matter about the physics of it, and i can guarantee you that no one tried to visualise this mechine, and this was with diagrams. The only help that was given to me was to understand the laws of thermodynamics and to comply with them, well i did tudy them and i went back and i proved them wrong, and they just refused to listen. I hate to think that i cannot trust anyone but with somthing of this importance to me i feel that i can't afford to, where i grow up, people have little chance of becoming anything, those who try the hardest loose all childhood and personality and those who give up and accept life as it is wind up even worse. I realized from the look in my science teecher's eyes that he thought this was his lucky break, not mine, luckilly i had shown him no diagrams, and he got preaty mad when i refused, who can i trust? Well that's my take on my PMM's philosophy, now, down to the physics. #1, friction from air, solved that with a vacume, now this may sound obvios and yes i know that there is actually a miniscule amount of friction in a vacuum and that man has never actually created a perfect vacume, but what we have is perfectly suitable. #2, Sorry, mixed that up, just switch this with # 1, ok friction form bearings, I have come up with somthing that i can bet has already been thought up and disproved but honestly, i think with enough calibration it can work, its called a NFS or No Friction Stand (i have a habit of acronyms). The NFS attaches to the spinning axle and basicly levitates the entire contraption. as for #3, electricity would only be implimented in the harnessing of the electrity, i would use the friction of the turbine to keep the PMM from spinning out of controll and basically exploding, again it is not a matter of too much or too little friction, it is a matter of calibration coupled with experimentation that will perfect this mechine. as for #4, the only heat that i can forsee is that of the turbine/genorator/engine/what ever the propper name, this Turbine would actually be contained within the vacume, as you know, heat canot travel without matter to travel through but then again, what about the vacuum of space and the sun, anyway, i doubt that the vacuum will stop the heat, most thermoses use vacumes but they still get warm, no, the vacuum will serve to decrece the heat, this will sustain the genorator. Doubts may arise here, with heat, won't the georator eventually break? not to worry, i have a few more tricks up my sleave, for example, a backup genorator whitch i know, would not constitute as a perpetual motion mechine because it would technically be fueled by genorators, but one has to see here, that the genorator is not actually a part of my PMM, it is the profit, if i were to replace that genorator with anything tht causes friction, i could get the same effect, but i would not be able to harness the electity, it would be a PMM, but it wouldn't be helping anyone. I am not quite sure what you meen by angular momentum, the rotation of the Earth perhaps? that would not be a reall problem with the NFS. The real reason for the sucsess of this PMM is it's versitility, i can change almost any aspect of teh mechine, there are almost unlimited posibilitys and only one of them will work, i have a fealing that it will be easyer than it sounds.
Adam
P.S. I hope i didn't write too much, if this is too big, i may have to take out the quote. As for people acepting things as they are, not seeing the posibilitys, not seeing the vision, how could this be more related to a PMM lol
