You need to move a 500 N box across the floor. You pull on the box

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the movement of a 500 N box across a floor with friction. Participants explore the calculation of the coefficient of friction when a constant force is applied and the tension in the rope when the box is pulled at an angle. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical problem-solving related to forces and motion.

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  • One participant seeks help with determining the coefficient of friction when a 200 N force is applied to move the box at a constant velocity of 3 m/s.
  • Another participant notes that the problem should have been posted in a specific sub-forum and emphasizes the importance of Newton's Second Law, stating that the net horizontal force must be zero due to the constant velocity.
  • A participant explains the relationship between friction force, coefficient of friction, and normal force, highlighting the need to consider the normal force's direction.
  • For the second part of the problem, a participant discusses how the applied force at an angle introduces both horizontal and vertical components, affecting the normal force and requiring a different approach to balance the forces.

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Participants generally agree on the application of Newton's Second Law and the need to balance forces, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or methods for determining the coefficient of friction and tension in the rope.

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Participants have not resolved the specific mathematical steps required to find the coefficient of friction or the tension in the rope, and assumptions about the normal force in the second scenario remain unclarified.

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You need to move a 500 N box across the floor. You pull on the box with a rope which is also horizontal. The floor is not frictionless. You move the box so that it moves with a constant v of 3m/s by applying a 200 N force.

Coefficient of Friction?

Also,

same question except pull the box at an angle of 30 degrees from the horizontal, use 0.4 coefficient.

what is the tension in the rope?

I just really can't even get started on this one, i have no idea, my professor really didnt cover to much of this but gave us 4 similar questions on it, any help would help me out...
 
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This should have been posted in the homework help sub-forum using the associated template for homework threads (which would have provided a systematic framework for you to articulate and approach the problem).

The basic principle you need to understand in order to solve this problem is Newton's Second Law of Motion. Since the box's velocity is constant (in the horizontal direction) and zero (in the vertical direction), it is not accelerating, which implies that the forces on it are balanced (in both the horizontal and vertical directions). Therefore the NET horizontal force on the box must be zero. Since there are only two horizontal forces, the applied force due to the tension in the rope (forwards), and friction (backwards), these two must be equal to each other (in magnitude)

Therefore, you KNOW what the magnitude of the frictional force must be in this situation. You also know what the normal force is (because you are given the weight and you know that the vertical forces are balanced). So, you have enough information to determine the coefficient of friction for sliding motion between the box material and floor material.
 


Friction force = Coeff. friction X Normal force

The normal force is perpendicular to the friction force (the one pressing on the ground)

When there is a slope, the weight of the box is still pointing down and can be divided in two components: A horizontal one and a vertical one (with respect to the slope). Determine the friction force and carefully add the force horizontally (wrt the slope) to find the tension.
 


For the second part of the problem, the applied force (or tension) is now NOT entirely horizontal. It has both horizontal and vertical components. You can figure out what these components are in terms of the unknown quantity (the tension), because you know the angle at which this force is applied.

Then it's just the same thing again. Newton's second law requires that if the acceleration is zero (horizontally and vertically) then:

- the sum of the forces in the horizontal direction is zero

- the sum of the forces in the vertical direction is zero

The balance of the forces in the vertical direction is a little different from in the first part of the problem, because instead of just two vertical forces (normal force and weight), there are now three (the third being the upward component of the tension). This means that the normal force will change -- it will not be the same as it was in the first part of the problem.
 

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