Young's modulus problem - need a hint

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The discussion revolves around solving a Young's modulus problem involving two wires made of brass and copper, each 50 cm long and connected to form a total length of 1 meter. A force applied results in a total length change of 0.5 mm, and the challenge is to determine the individual length changes for each wire. Participants suggest using a variation of Hooke's law and stress compatibility equations to relate the changes in length and Young's moduli. The key insight is that the ratio of the Young's moduli corresponds to the ratio of the length changes, leading to a calculated increase of 0.21 mm in the brass wire. The discussion effectively clarifies the approach to solving the problem using fundamental principles of mechanics.
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Young's modulus problem -- need a hint

There are two wires, one brass the other copper, both 50 cm long and 1.0 mm diameter. They are somehow connected to form a 1m length. A force is applied to both ends, resulting in a total length change of 0.5 mm. Given the respective young's moduluses of 1.3 x 10^11 and 1.0 x 10^11, I'm supposed to find the amount of length change in each section.

Apparently a variation of Hooke's law should be used here, such as F/A=Y(change in length/original length)

I'm stuck on how can I solve this with 2 unknowns (force and change in length)?
Regards
 
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redshift said:
There are two wires, one brass the other copper, both 50 cm long and 1.0 mm diameter. They are somehow connected to form a 1m length. A force is applied to both ends, resulting in a total length change of 0.5 mm. Given the respective young's moduluses of 1.3 x 10^11 and 1.0 x 10^11, I'm supposed to find the amount of length change in each section.

Apparently a variation of Hooke's law should be used here, such as F/A=Y(change in length/original length)

I'm stuck on how can I solve this with 2 unknowns (force and change in length)?
Regards

Hello redshift! I'm going to rewritte your problem in terms of stress \sigma (Pa) and unitary deformation \epsilon=\frac{L-L_o}{L_o} where Lo is the original lenght. So that, the stress exerted is the same in each section of the wire:

Hooke's law: \sigma=E_t \epsilon_t=E_1 \epsilon_1=E_2 \epsilon_2 where "Et" (N/m^2) is the apparent Young modulus of the complete wire.

Compatibility of deformations: \bigtriangleup L=\bigtriangleup L_1 + \bigtriangleup L_2


Then, you have three equations for three unknowns: Et, epsilon1 and epsilon2.

Hope this help you a bit.




You've got two unknowns for
 
Many thanks

I think I get it. Based on your equations, the ratio of the young's moduluses should equal the ratio of the individual increases, that is, 13/10 = L1/L2
Therefore, 10L1 = 13L2
Since, L1 = L2 = 0.5, then L1 = 0.5 - L2. Plugging this into the above gives 10(0.5 - L2) = 13L2, so that the increase of L2 (brass wire) is 0.21 mm.

Many thanks!
 
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