Zero Acceleration in Running and in a Car

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the consumption of energy while running at a constant velocity and while driving a car at a constant velocity. Participants explore the mechanisms of energy expenditure in both scenarios, considering factors such as muscle contractions, friction, and resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that energy consumption while running is primarily due to vertical movements and muscle contractions.
  • Others argue that energy is also consumed through horizontal movement as one pushes against the Earth, invoking Newton's third law.
  • It is noted that a car consumes energy to overcome fluid friction, particularly wind resistance, even when moving at constant velocity.
  • One participant questions whether they push themselves into the Earth or if the Earth pushes them, leading to a discussion about the force pair involved.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of running mechanics, particularly with the introduction of carbon fiber running blades for disabled athletes.
  • Participants mention that cars lose energy to friction in various moving parts, and energy is also required to accelerate the car's mass, which is often lost as heat during braking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of energy consumption in running and driving. There is no consensus on the primary factors contributing to energy expenditure in these activities.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions about energy consumption without resolving the complexities of the interactions involved, such as the effects of wind direction and the efficiency of different running mechanics.

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1) While running with a constant velocity ; how do we consume energy? : Only due to vertical movement of our bodies, right?

2) When driving a car in a constant velocity; how this car could consume energy? It does not move upright-downright (in a very straight road).
 
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1) If you ignore all of the bodily operations that make your body work, you are consuming energy by muscle contractions. You consume energy by horizontal movement too, you have to push on the Earth in the opposite direction as your motion. As a result of Newtons 3rd law, the Earth pushes you forward.

2) Whenever a car is moving it has to overcome fluid friction (wind resistance).

I think you are thinking of the work-potential energy concept. Where you only do work in vertical motion by changing your potential energy.
 
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Thank you very much for your reply 462.

1) Do I push myself into the earth; or the Earth pushes me??

2) I understand. There wouldn't be a case that wind is in the direction of a car, right; so that car's velocity increases?
 
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gamz95 said:
1) Do I push myself into the earth; or the Earth pushes me??

Both. There is a force pair between yourself and the Earth. However hard you press down on the Earth, the Earth pushes up against you.

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2) I understand. There wouldn't be a case that wind is in the direction of a car, right; so that car's velocity increases?

A tailwind would certainly help the car's fuel efficiency, but there's still other sources of friction that will rob the car of energy, such as in the engine, axles, etc. And unless you're going very slow it is very, very unlikely that the tailwind is as fast as the car, so you'll usually still be encountering wind resistance.
 
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Thank you very much people. Thank you!
 
There are lots of reasons humans consume energy when running. Even air resistance has an effect. It's why records only count if the wind is below a certain speed.

When running your legs behave a bit like springs that store and release energy - however the process isn't very efficient. When disabled athletes started using carbon fibre running blades there was some concern that the blades would be more efficient and make running easier/faster that it is for able bodied athletes. More on that here.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanics_of_Oscar_Pistorius'_running_blades

In addition to air resistance, cars have lots of moving parts that rub against each other loosing energy to friction. For example pistons in the engine, gears in the transmission etc. Energy is also required to accelerate the mass of the car. That energy is usually lost as heat in the brakes when slowing down.
 
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