Zero divisors in Zp where p is prime

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The problem involves identifying zero divisors in the ring Z17, where 17 is a prime number. Participants are exploring the properties of this mathematical structure and questioning the existence of zero divisors.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of multiplication in Z17 and whether the product of two elements can equal zero without either element being zero. They question the reasoning behind the absence of zero divisors and explore definitions related to zero divisors.

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There is ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of zero divisors in the context of Z17. Some participants are seeking clarification on the relationship between the prime nature of 17 and the existence of zero divisors, while others are attempting to articulate their understanding through specific examples.

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Participants are operating under the assumption that they are working within the confines of modular arithmetic and the properties of prime numbers. There is a focus on definitions and the implications of those definitions in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find all zero divisors of the ring Z17

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Are there any zero divisors of the ring Z17?

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I multiplied 17*17=289...that is only divisible by 17, so I do not think there are any zero divisors...am I missing something?
 
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No, there aren't any zero divisors in Z_17. But I'm not sure that 17*17=289 which is only divisible by 17 is a clear statement of the reason why not. If a*b is divisible by 17 then can a and b both not be divisible by 17? Why not?
 
Both a and b have to be in Z17, so if a*b does not give 0 in Z17, it is not a zero divider, right?
 
sarah77 said:
Both a and b have to be in Z17, so if a*b does not give 0 in Z17, it is not a zero divider, right?

Sure, that's the definition. Do you think this might have anything to do with 17 being a prime number?
 
Yes, but I wanted to explain it using a and b
 
sarah77 said:
Yes, but I wanted to explain it using a and b

If a*b=0 mod 17 then they are zero divisors. That means a*b is divisible by 17. Is that possible without a or b being divisible by 17?
 
Thank you!
 

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