MHB Zhina's question at Yahoo Answers regarding optimization subject to constraint

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Zhina's question involves optimizing the volume of a box formed by cutting a 24-foot wire into 12 pieces to create a rectangular frame, with the base length being twice the width. The problem is approached using both Lagrange multipliers and single-variable calculus, leading to the conclusion that the maximum volume is achieved when the width is 4/3 feet. The dimensions of the box for maximum volume are calculated as 8/3 feet in length, 4/3 feet in width, and 2 feet in height. The maximum volume is determined to be 64/9 cubic feet. The discussion highlights the importance of accurately interpreting constraints in optimization problems.
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CALCULUS needHELP WITH THIS PLEASE! APPRECIAT EIT -?

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a 24 foot wire is cut into 12 pieces which are welded together to form a rectangular frame whose base is twice as long than it is wide .
the frame is than covered with paper to form a box . find the volume of the largest possible box that can be made this way

Please help with this thanks in advance so much

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Hello Zhina,

Let's let the dimensions of the box be $x,y,z$ (all positive) where the volume (the objective function) is:

$$V(x,y,z)=xyz$$

Each dimension will require 4 pieces of wire, so we have the constraint:

$$4x+4y+4z=4L$$ (where $4L$ is the total length of the wire)

$$g(x,y,z)=x+y+z-L=0$$

We also have the constraint (if we choose $y$ to be the length, and $x$ to be the width)

$$h(x,y,z)=y-2x=0$$

Using Lagrange multipliers, we obtain the system:

$$yz=\lambda-2\mu$$

$$xz=\lambda+\mu$$

$$xy=\lambda$$

which implies:

$$\lambda=yz+2\mu=xz-\mu=xy$$

From:

$$yz+2\mu=xz-\mu$$

we obtain:

$$\mu=\frac{xz-yz}{3}$$

Now we also have:

$$xz-\mu=xy$$

$$\mu=xz-xy$$

and hence, we find:

$$\frac{xz-yz}{3}=xz-xy$$

$$xz-yz=3xz-3xy$$

$$-yz=2xz-3xy$$

$$x=\frac{yz}{3y-2z}$$

Substituting for $x$ into the second constraint, we find:

$$y=\frac{2yz}{3y-2z}$$

Since $y\ne0$, we may divide through by $y$ to obtain:

$$y=\frac{4z}{3}$$

Substituting for $y$ into the formula for $x$, we obtain:

$$x=\frac{\left(\frac{4z}{3} \right)z}{3\left(\frac{4z}{3} \right)-2z}=\frac{2z}{3}$$

Now, substituting for $x$ and $y$ into the first constraint, we obtain:

$$\frac{2z}{3}+\frac{4z}{3}+z=L$$

$$z=\frac{L}{3},\,y=\frac{4L}{9},\,x=\frac{2L}{9}$$

We know this is a maximum, as the other critical point is $$\left(0,0,4L \right)$$ giving:

$$V_{\min}=0\text{ ft}^3$$

Thus, we find:

$$V_{\max}=V\left(\frac{2L}{9},\frac{4L}{9},\frac{L}{3} \right)=3\left(\frac{2L}{9} \right)^3$$

Plugging in the given $$L=6\text{ ft}$$, we find:

$$V_{\max}=3\left(\frac{2(6\text{ ft})}{9} \right)^3=\frac{64}{9}\,\text{ ft}^3$$

To Zhina and any other guests viewing this topic, I invite and encourage you to post other optimization questions in our http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f10/ forum.

Best Regards,

Mark.
 
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This can actually be solved using single variable calculus. We know that the twelve pieces form the edges of a box, and we also know that we are making these pieces from a 24ft long wire. If we call the length "l", the width "w" and the height "h", then we have

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} 4l + 4w + 4h &= 24 \end{align*}[/math]

We are also told that the length is twice the width, so [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} l = 2w \end{align*}[/math], and from there we can see that

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} 4 \left( 2w \right) + 4w + 4h &= 24 \\ 12w + 4h &= 24 \\ 4h &= 24 - 12w \\ h &= 6 - 3w \end{align*}[/math]

The volume of the box can be found using

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= lwh \\ &= 2w \left( w \right) \left( 6 - 3w \right) \\ &= 12w^2 - 6w^3 \end{align*}[/math]

The maximum volume is where the derivative is 0, so

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{dV}{dw} &= 24w - 18w^2 \\ 0 &= 24w - 18w^2 \\ 0 &= 6w \left( 4 - 3w \right) \\ w = 0 \textrm{ or } w &= \frac{4}{3} \end{align*}[/math]

Clearly when w = 0, the volume will be 0, so the maximum volume has to be when [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} w = \frac{4}{3} \end{align*}[/math]. To check that it's a maximum, we can check the value of the derivative on either side of the point (say at w = 1 and w = 2). So

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{dV}{dw} | _{w = 1} &= 6 \\ \\ \frac{dV}{dw} | _{w = 2} &= -24 \end{align*}[/math]

Since the gradients go from positive to 0 to negative, the criticial point is a maximum.

[math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= 12 \left( \frac{4}{3} \right) ^2 - 6 \left( \frac{4}{3} \right) ^3 \\ &= 12 \left( \frac{16}{9} \right) - 6 \left( \frac{64}{27} \right) \\ &= \frac{64}{3} - \frac{128}{9} \\ &= \frac{64}{9} \end{align*}[/math]

Therefore the maximum volume is [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{64}{9} \,\textrm{ft}\,^3 \end{align*}[/math], when the box has dimensions [math]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{8}{3} \,\textrm{ft} \, \times \frac{4}{3} \,\textrm{ft} \, \times 2\,\textrm{ft} \end{align*}[/math].
 
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Sorry Mark, it appears you've forgotten that the OP stated the length is twice as long as the width :)
 
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Sorry Mark, it appears you've forgotten that the OP stated the length is twice as long as the width :)

Yes, thanks to your post, I realized I did not read the problem carefully enough, and I have edited my post to reflect the second constraint. I would not have used Lagrange multipliers if I had done so. :D
 
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Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

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