Understanding Dedekind Cuts and the Construction of Real Numbers in Analysis

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In summary, the purpose of constructing Dedekind cuts is to define the real numbers without explicitly mentioning the irrational numbers. However, there are other ways to define numbers like pi and e, but it is not typically done for the purpose of calculation or proving theorems. It is primarily done to ensure the consistency of set theory and real analysis. Once the framework is established, Dedekind cuts are rarely thought about again.
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Hi, I am independently learning analysis, I found videos online and Rudin's textbook, though I am unclear on one thing. I thought the point of dedekind cuts was to construct the reals without explicitly talking about the irrationals, which is why to get at the square root of 2 you let the cut be all rationals with x2<2, and x<0...But then how do you get numbers like pi, and e, or 21/2-1? If for example pi you said the cut where all rationals are less than pi, you would be explicitly talking about an irrational, which I thought goes against the purpose?
Would you instead take the power series representations?
 
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There are lots of ways you could go about defining an explicit cut for pi or for e, but it's not something you would typically bother doing. Generally speaking, constructing the Dedekind reals are not something you do for the purpose of calculation, or even for the purpose of proving theorems -- it's something you do to gain confidence that we haven't made any silly mistakes in setting up the foundations: so you can prove that the assumed consistency of set theory implies the consistency of real analysis.

Once you have the framework in place, you generally won't ever think about a Dedekind cut again -- the closest you'll get is invoking the Least Upper Bound property.
 

1. What is the Dedekind Cut of Pi?

The Dedekind Cut of Pi is a mathematical concept developed by German mathematician Richard Dedekind in the late 19th century. It is a way to define the real number Pi (π) by dividing the set of all rational numbers into two non-empty subsets, where one subset contains all rational numbers less than Pi and the other contains all rational numbers greater than Pi.

2. Why is the Dedekind Cut of Pi important in mathematics?

The Dedekind Cut of Pi is important because it provides a rigorous and precise definition of the irrational number Pi, which is crucial in many areas of mathematics such as geometry, trigonometry, and calculus. It also helps to establish the concept of real numbers and their properties.

3. How is the Dedekind Cut of Pi different from other methods of defining irrational numbers?

The Dedekind Cut of Pi differs from other methods, such as the decimal expansion or continued fraction representation, in that it does not rely on approximations or infinite series. Instead, it uses the concept of sets and their subsets to define the real number Pi in a more abstract and formal way.

4. Can the Dedekind Cut of Pi be applied to other irrational numbers?

Yes, the Dedekind Cut can be applied to any irrational number to define it in terms of the rational numbers. This method has been used to define other important numbers in mathematics, such as the square root of 2 and the golden ratio.

5. How is the Dedekind Cut of Pi related to the concept of limits?

The Dedekind Cut of Pi is closely related to the concept of limits in calculus. In fact, the Dedekind Cut can be seen as a way to define the limit of a sequence of rational numbers that approaches the irrational number Pi. This connection helps to bridge the gap between the discrete world of rational numbers and the continuous world of real numbers.

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