RICE Tables for Weak Acid/Base Reactions: When to Neglect X?

In summary, when using RICE tables for weak acid/base reactions, x can be neglected when the 5% rule is valid. This rule states that x is much smaller compared to the initial concentration, making it negligible in the overall calculation. ICE tables are also commonly used for calculating equilibrium in a system, and are a Dutch colonial adaptation of the Indonesian makan besar. They consist of rice accompanied by several spicy side dishes and are popular in both Indonesia and the Netherlands.
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oceanflavored
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when you're doing RICE tables for weak acid/base reactions, when do you neglect x? thanks for ANY input :biggrin:
 
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What are RICE tables? What does "x" mean?
 
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I heard these things called "ICE" tables, but not "RICE" tables... further along I have used these to calculate equilibrium in a system. ICE stands for INITIAL CHANGE EQUILIBRIUM. I never used these things when involving acids/bases.

Here is what Wikipedia sais about RICE tables:

An Indonesian rice table (in Dutch, rijsttafel) consists of rice accompanied by several, often spicy side dishes served buffet-style. Popular side dishes include egg rolls, sambals, satay, fish, fruit, vegetables, pickles, and nuts. It is a Dutch colonial adaptation of the Indonesian makan besar, and popular in both Indonesia and the Netherlands.

The number of side dishes depends mainly on the number of guests; in a restaurant, as many as two dozen side dishes may be served. In many restaurants, the side dishes are brought to the guests' table, covering the table with the many small plates.
 
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hmmm.
maybe chemistry has changed a bit since you guys were in high school.
because we calculate weak acids/bases by RICE tables: Reaction, Initial, Change, and Equilibrium; like ssb said.
ok;so never mind.
thanks anyways :)
 
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oceanflavored said:
hmmm.
maybe chemistry has changed a bit since you guys were in high school.
because we calculate weak acids/bases by RICE tables: Reaction, Initial, Change, and Equilibrium; like ssb said.
ok;so never mind.
thanks anyways :)
I asked because I never heard of any such acronymic designation. Back several years ago, we used stoichiometry, accounting for concentrations, moles, and some intermediate level Algebra.
 
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haha. you can neglect x if hte 5% rule is valid
 
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for example:

dissociation of HF, Ka = 7.2E-4 HF <-> H+ + F-
I .1 0 0
C -x +x +x
E .1-x x x

Ka = 7.2E-4 = x^2/(.1-x)

- assume 5% rule is valid and x is a very small number in comparison to .1

therefore, 7.2E-4 = x^2/.1

-solve for x, which ends up being about 8.5E-3 which is small in comparison to .1 proving the 5% rule to be valid.

-therefore x can be beglected and the [H+] = x = 8.5E-3
 
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We still use ICE tables they haven't meleted yet...haha...
 

1. What is a RICE table and how is it used in weak acid/base reactions?

A RICE table is a tool used to calculate the equilibrium concentrations of reactants and products in a weak acid/base reaction. RICE stands for Reactants, Products, Initial Change, and Equilibrium. It helps to organize the information and make it easier to solve for the unknown concentrations.

2. What are the components of a RICE table?

A RICE table consists of the reactants and products in the left and right columns respectively, the initial concentrations of the reactants and products, the change in concentration of each species as the reaction proceeds, and the equilibrium concentrations. It also includes the equilibrium constant (K) for the reaction.

3. When should X be neglected in a RICE table?

X represents the change in concentration of the weak acid or base as it dissociates or reacts with water. X can be neglected if it is significantly smaller than the initial concentration of the weak acid or base. This is typically the case when the initial concentration is larger than 100 times the K value.

4. How do you calculate the equilibrium concentrations using a RICE table?

To calculate the equilibrium concentrations, you first need to write the balanced chemical equation for the reaction and determine the initial concentrations of each species. Then, use the equilibrium constant (K) to set up an expression for the equilibrium concentrations in terms of X. After solving for X, you can substitute it into the expression to find the equilibrium concentrations.

5. Can a RICE table be used for strong acid/base reactions?

No, a RICE table is only applicable for weak acid/base reactions. Strong acid/base reactions are assumed to go to completion, so there is no need for an equilibrium expression or a RICE table to determine the concentrations of reactants and products.

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