Proof of If S(m)=S(n), then m=n

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In summary, there are two proofs for the statement "If S(m)=S(n), then m=n" which involve different approaches. One is a simple one-line proof while the other is longer and involves proving two Lemmas. Despite the difference in length, both proofs establish the same result and are equally valid in terms of logic and consistency. The choice of which proof to use may depend on the perspective of the mathematician and the insights they want to gain from the proof.
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Proof of "If S(m)=S(n), then m=n"

Hello all. I have a question regarding the statement

If S(m)=S(n), then m=n, where S(m)=m[itex]\cup[/itex]{m}, the successor of the natural number m.

I have come across two proofs for the above.

1. This one is as simple as observing the fact that
if S(m)=S(n), then [itex]\bigcup[/itex]S(m)=[itex]\bigcup[/itex]S(n) and since m and n are transitive (a set A is transitive if x[itex]\in[/itex]a[itex]\in[/itex]A[itex]\Rightarrow[/itex]x[itex]\in[/itex]A), it implies that m=n (for transitive sets like A, it can be proved that [itex]\bigcup[/itex]S(A)=A).

This cheeky and cute proof is from Enderton's book.

2. This proof is a longer one which is given in Halmos' book and Hrbacek and Jech's book
follows a similar line of thought.

It involves proving two Lemmas. To quote him,

Naive Set Theory, P. R. Halmos, pp.47
(i) no natural number is a subset of any of its elements, and (ii)
every element of a natural number is a subset of it.

This is basically proving the ideas related to order defined on the set of natural numbers.

I wish to know the reason, if there is any, as to why one proof might be better than the other. Proper perspective always helps in understanding abstract mathematical concepts. Your input is greatly appreciated.
 
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Hey StatOnTheSide.

I just wanted to make a general comment about one proof being better than the other: I don't think that one proof is necessarily better than the other since all ways will provide some kind of insight that another may not (assuming all proofs don't drag on too much).

They both say the same thing anyway (in terms of the statement of the proof) but one is not more correct than the other (since it is a proof and all proper proofs in mathematics are equivalent in terms of the two statements being equal under the appropriate logical system): it's just that one establishes it in a different way.

Mathematics is like this: there are many ways to do something and when things are consistent and in a system that makes sense, then all paths from A to B take you from A to B regardless of what has happened in-between.
 
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Thanks Chiro. I thought of asking because the length of the two proofs are very different. Proof 1. is like a one line statement in Enderton's book while proof 2. runs to like a page or two in Halmos' book and even in Hrbacek's book. I was just curious to know why one would write a one page proof when there is a one line proof for the same statement.

Thanks very much for your input. :)
 

1. What is the meaning of "Proof of If S(m)=S(n), then m=n"?

The statement "Proof of If S(m)=S(n), then m=n" is a mathematical proposition that states if the sum of two numbers m and n is the same, then m and n must be equal. This is known as the "addition property of equality" in mathematics.

2. How is this statement proven?

This statement can be proven using basic algebraic principles. By assuming that S(m)=S(n), we can manipulate the equation to show that m=n. This is done by subtracting S(n) from both sides of the equation, resulting in m=S(n)-S(n), which simplifies to m=0. Since any number minus itself is equal to 0, we can conclude that m must equal n.

3. Can this statement be applied to all numbers?

Yes, this statement applies to all numbers. It is a fundamental property of numbers and is true for all real numbers, integers, and even complex numbers.

4. What is the importance of this statement in mathematics?

This statement is important because it is one of the basic axioms, or starting points, of algebra. It allows us to solve equations, manipulate expressions, and perform operations with confidence that the results will be accurate.

5. How does this statement relate to other mathematical concepts?

This statement is closely related to the concept of equality in mathematics. It also ties into other fundamental principles such as the commutative and associative properties of addition, which state that the order and grouping of numbers in an equation do not affect the final result.

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