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drankin
Moving from a derailed thread on Socialism...
Smurf said:Religion has nothing to do with it.
Moridin said:the most frequently used argument from religious values is circular.
So killing life is not an ethical question for you?drankin said:Regardless of what it is, I believe it should be a medical debate.
MeJennifer said:So killing life is not an ethical question for you?
MeJennifer said:So killing life is not an ethical question for you?
Which passage states that? I don't see it.jimmysnyder said:Adam didn't become a living soul until he started breathing.
... The Lord God formed man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. ...
ShawnD said:I think he means "what defines life". Killing sperm is ok, killing eggs is ok, but killing a full birth baby is wrong.
Well you are entitled to your opinion and I hope I am as well.vanesch said:...I don't see what is so exceptionally special to a new-born baby that it must necessarily deserve that self-appointed "right to live" that we somehow take for granted in our societies for human beings.
drankin said:To not accept that is not natural, nor is it healthy human behavior. This is the way of our "species".
out of whack said:Sure, but why? Identifying the reason is at the core of deciding where the line is drawn in various situations. Is "cuteness" the factor, or "consciousness", or "intelligence", what is it?
Maybe because if we had no concern for our newborn children we would not exist as a species.out of whack said:Sure, but why? Identifying the reason is at the core of deciding where the line is drawn in various situations. Is "cuteness" the factor, or "consciousness", or "intelligence", what is it?
Certainly true. Does that mean that what is ethical should be based primarily on our survival instincts?drankin said:Selfless care of an infant is most certainly a natural and healthy compulsion that ensures the survival of the human race.
I seem to miss something, why is murder illegal and immoral by definition?russ_watters said:...a lot of the ethical part of the debate is very straightforward: murder is illegal and immoral by definition. And virtually everyone, pro choice or pro life, agrees with that (you kinda have to - it's a definition!).
MeJennifer to Russ said:I seem to miss something, why is murder illegal and immoral by definition?
Furthermore, not all murder is illegal. If that were the case many soldiers and their superiors would be on trial for (attempted) murder.
ShawnD said:Are you sure about that? Go talk to the protesters outside of an abortion clinic. Specifically ask them what religion they are. I'll bet you $1,000 right now that none of them say Buddhist or Hindu or Atheist.
drankin said:I have to say that I really don't know where you are coming from, vanesch. It sounds to me that you place very little if any value on the life of an infant. An infant is completely dependant upon us to exist and develop. To not accept that is not natural, nor is it healthy human behavior. This is the way of our "species".
I had no idea loseyourname. Over the last year, mostly due to my increasing study of philosophy, I've bounced back and forth between the two, and have recently settled on an 'opinion pending' state of mind. :tongue2: I do think that for the time being, in our current social and political structure, legalized abortion is somewhere from important to necessary for our society to function.loseyourname said:I've identified here in the past as mostly being on the "pro-life" side of this fence, and I'm not religious. I don't particularly feel like going back over my reasoning again, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with a religious conception of when human life does or does not begin.
We may not be as vocal or politically powerful as religious organizations, but there do exist people that oppose abortion for purely secular ethical reasons.
Obviously it should be. Unfortunately our medical knowledge is no where near what we need it to be at in order to determine 'life'. We still need to make a decision though, so it falls to lesser disciplines.drankin said:Regardless of what it is, I believe it should be a medical debate.