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Is killing yourself cowardice? Or, acknowledgment of fact that you deserve better than this life?
When you kill yourself, there is "nothing". It is the "end". If a person's mystical beliefs drives to them commit suicide because they believe in a better "afterlife" then I see that as a serious problem.aleemudasir said:Is killing yourself cowardice? Or, acknowledgment of fact that you deserve better than this life?
aleemudasir said:Is killing yourself cowardice? Or, acknowledgment of fact that you deserve better than this life?
aleemudasir said:Is killing yourself cowardice? Or, acknowledgment of fact that you deserve better than this life?
Evo said:When you kill yourself, there is "nothing". It is the "end". If a person's mystical beliefs drives to them commit suicide because they believe in a better "afterlife" then I see that as a serious problem.
Woopydalan said:How do you know?
Doctors do not know the exact causes of depression. It is believed that chemical changes in the brain are responsible. This may be due to a problem with your genes. Or it may be triggered by certain stressful events. More likely, it is a combination of both.
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Depression can change or distort the way you see yourself, your life, and those around you.
With depression, you often see everything in a negative way. It is hard for you to imagine that a problem or situation can be solved in a positive way.
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Symptoms of depression can include:
Agitation, restlessness, and irritability, anger
Becoming withdrawn or isolated
Fatigue and lack of energy
Feeling hopeless and helpless, worthless, guilty, self-hate
Loss of interest or pleasure in activities that were once enjoyed
Sudden change in appetite, often with weight gain or loss
Thoughts of death or suicide
Trouble concentrating
Trouble sleeping or sleeping too much
aleemudasir said:Is killing yourself cowardice? Or, acknowledgment of fact that you deserve better than this life?
jackmell said:They're giving up aren't they? There's a whole spectrum of fight-ness in people, Nature and nurture conspiring to present their wares for consideration by Selection. In the raw, cold, uncaring world of life on earth, fighters win and it is for the benefit of us all that they do. We are strong, superbly so, because of this design and while I too am touched by the tragedy of suicide, especially the young, I recognize it is probably best for us all that Nature remains less so.
Ryan_m_b said:That is absolutely ridiculous.
jackmell said:I respectfully disagree and believe what I said makes perfect sense: we are all affected by environmental (social) pressures we find ourselves in and these pressures act as selective forces affecting gene frequencies. Suicidal tendencies in the young, reproductive population are not conducive to survival and reproductive success : suicide in this group, although upsetting, is, in the hard cold world of life, a de-selection of the unfit in my opinion.
WannabeNewton said:Why can't we just let people do to themselves whatever it is they want to do to themselves? Why do we always have to judge everyone about their choices regarding their own lives?
WannabeNewton said:Why can't we just let people do to themselves whatever it is they want to do to themselves? Why do we always have to judge everyone about their choices regarding their own lives?
WannabeNewton said:Why can't we just let people do to themselves whatever it is they want to do to themselves? Why do we always have to judge everyone about their choices regarding their own lives?
leroyjenkens said:I had a friend kill himself. He wasn't a close friend, but he was a friend of a friend and we got along really well, but would never hang out together just the two of us.
I don't know why, but him killing himself affected me really strongly. I didn't cry, it was just extremely shocking, and it didn't leave me feeling sad or anything like that, but just a shocked feeling for a really long time. Hard to explain. So it must be even a lot harder than that for people who are really close to the person.
Or maybe that's just me being soft.
lisab said:No, I think it's you being human.
I think it's hard for people who have not been through it to understand what it's like.
... Suicide dramatically affects the people left behind in a way that is beyond cruel.
You better believe I judge her for her choices, in fact I judge the hell out of her, I think she is (was) pure evil.
davenn said:indeed
and in respose to your earlier post ...
maybe she was "pure evil" ... I don't know. But i doubt that's the state of the majority why commit suicide.
Your overall comments throughout the thread lead me me to believe you have never suffered severe depression ? !
its horrific, totally debilitating, you cannot see any resolution to all the problems and nothing anyone ( councellor or otherwise) says helps. All you can think of is escaping the miserable wretched life you live. You do think about your family and friends, you think about how your situation has affected them and you finally realize they would be, in the end, better off without you.
Dave
Choppy said:As has been pointed out, the choices that people make affect those around them and so I would argue that the extent to which a choice that any arbitrary person makes affects me, I should have a say in that choice.
WannabeNewton said:I agree with everything you said and I'm not arguing against preventing a person from taking his/her life if it is known to someone that such an event is about to transpire. I'm also not arguing for it as I can neither put myself in the shoes of someone who is in a truly suicidal state of mind nor can I put myself in the shoes of someone put in the situation of preventing a suicide.
I'm talking about judging people who attempt to commit suicide as being "selfish" or "a coward" or what have you. I think it's disgusting to label suicidal people in such a manner. Furthermore I think the very question of "what are your views on suicide?" deserves better than an answer from an individual who hasn't been through a period of *genuine* suicidal tendencies him/herself. It is silly, not to mention insulting, to sit behind a computer screen and argue about one's views on suicide in some nonchalant manner when one hasn't even been in the shoes of a suicidal individual.
Is killing yourself cowardice? Or, acknowledgment of fact that you deserve better than this life?
I would like to say that my post has got nothing to do with religion, mysticism or anything of what you call "woowoo". It's just a general question posted under General Discussion category.Evo said:Please note, if your post was deleted, this is a mainstream science forum, religion, mysticism, and woowoo are not allowed here, so please do not post it.
Thanks.
aleemudasir said:I would like to say that my post has got nothing to do with religion, mysticism or anything of what you call "woowoo". It's just a general question posted under General Discussion category.
Yes, your post was not deleted, so my message was not to you.aleemudasir said:I would like to say that my post has got nothing to do with religion, mysticism or anything of what you call "woowoo". It's just a general question posted under General Discussion category.
They were also a sockpuppet of a banned crackpot.Enigman said:another poster had posted a comment which was deleted.
This is a difficult question to answer definitively as it can vary from person to person. Some may view suicide as a cowardly act, while others may see it as a way for someone to take control of their own life and make a statement about their self-worth. Ultimately, it is a complex issue and should not be reduced to a simple dichotomy.
There is no one single factor that leads someone to consider suicide. It is often a combination of various factors such as mental illness, trauma, substance abuse, and social isolation. It is important to understand that each person's circumstances are unique and should be approached with empathy and understanding.
Yes, suicide can be prevented. It is important for individuals to seek help and support from mental health professionals, friends, and family. It is also crucial for society to address the underlying issues that contribute to suicide, such as stigma surrounding mental health and lack of access to resources.
No, talking about suicide does not lead to more suicides. In fact, open and honest conversations about suicide can help reduce stigma and encourage individuals to seek help. It is important to have these discussions in a responsible and supportive manner.
If you know someone who may be considering suicide, it is important to listen to them without judgment and encourage them to seek professional help. You can also offer to accompany them to therapy appointments or provide them with resources for support. Most importantly, let them know that they are not alone and that you care about their well-being.