A question regarding a new solution

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In summary, the problem with the second step is that you need to prove that the series doesn't go bellow 0.61. The method you are using to do this is using the splitting method of the fraction, but it is inconclusive. You need to do more to complete the objective.
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transgalactic
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i recently posted a question about prooving a convergence of a series
and to find the limit

i have found a new way to proove
i showed it in the link

is this method ok??

the problem is in the second step
when i am trying to prove that the series doesn't go bellow 0.61

i used the splitting method
of the fraction but its inconclusive

how do i proove the second part
?

do i need to proove anything else inorder to complete the objective?

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img8220ez9.jpg

(there is a typing miste in the link its a n+1>0.61)
 
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transgalactic said:
i recently posted a question about prooving a convergence of a series
and to find the limit

i have found a new way to proove
i showed it in the link

is this method ok??

the problem is in the second step
when i am trying to prove that the series doesn't go bellow 0.61

i used the splitting method
of the fraction but its inconclusive

how do i proove the second part
?

do i need to proove anything else inorder to complete the objective?

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img8220ez9.jpg

(there is a typing miste in the link its a n+1>0.61)
This looks like a sequence to me!
 
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Why don't u post the original question first?
 
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the original question and how i tried to solve it in the new link

on the top of the first page
 
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You say, at one point, "[itex]a_k> 0.61[/itex] given". Well, you aren't "given" that. And I don't see where you have proved it. But then you say "we need to prove that ak+1< 0.61" which isn't true. Are you saying that ak> 0.61 for some k? Well, ak+1 < 0.061 is never true, any way.

I think it is simpler to prove the contrapositive. Suppose that, for some k, ak+1> ak. Then
[tex]a_{k+1}= \frac{a_k+ 1}{a_k+ 2}> a_k[/itex]
Multiply on both sides by the positive value [itex]a_k+ 2[/itex]. Then you are saying that [itex]a_k+ 1> a_k^2+ 2a_k[/itex] so that [itex]a_k^2+ a_k-1< 0[/itex]. That's a parabola opening upward. For what values of x is x2+ x- 1< 0? Are those possible values of ak?
 
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the parabula shows how the series goes

if the line after some point goes is on the negative part of the y axes
(bellow the x axes) then each next member will decrease in value

thats how i overrided the prooving
of

an+1<an inequality

you showed yourself the parula formula in the numanator
so i think it is the same.
is it ok??

now i want to proove that
its not going bellow 0.61

by the induction method

we presume that
an>0.61

and using that we proove that

an+1>0.61

as i showed in the link
i am having trouble to solve it
??
 
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Since [itex]a_0=1[/itex] then

[tex]a_{k+1}= \frac{a_k+ 1}{a_k+ 2}> 0[/tex]

by induction, i.e. [itex]a_k>0 \,\forall\, k[/itex]. Thus the limit is

[tex]l=\frac{-1+\sqrt{5}}{2}[/tex]
 

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