Question about World Cup probability and random selection

In summary, the conversation discusses the accuracy of predicting the outcome of the world cup, specifically in terms of randomly choosing teams. The probability of correctly choosing at least one or two teams in each group is 5/6. When extended to 4 groups, the probability of getting 4 correct teams is 1/36, 3 or 5 correct teams is 304/1296, 2 or 6 correct teams is 100/1296, and 1 or 7 correct teams is 16/1296. The best possible outcome would be getting all 8 teams correct, with a probability of 454/1296.
  • #1
Tarzanman
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Of the 32 teams that qualify for the world cup (8 groups with 4 teams each), what percentage would a roster of 16 teams-to-advance-to-the-2nd-round (2 teams from each of the 8 groups) should be correct if the teams were chosen at random?

Some background: A group of us at work filled out brackets before the start of the world cup. Of the 16 teams that have now advanced to the elimination round, the best of us made 11 accurate picks (disregarding whether the picks finished first or second in their respective groups). It made me wonder how much better that would have been than most completely random picks.

I do not know enough statistics to do the requisite math, except to understand that it is a little more complicated than just saying 16 out of 32 = 50% on average.

I got this far:
Each group has 4 teams. 2 of those teams advance.
The probability of correctly choosing both teams for a single group is 1/6
The probability of correctly choosing just one team is 4/6
the probability of not choosing either team is 1/6
As such, the probability of correctly choosing at least one or two of the correct teams in each group is 5/6.
So, for one group, most people making choices (two thirds of them) will have a 50% accuracy in predictions - assuming that all choices are made randomly ad infinitum.

What do you guys think?
 
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That's correct, for one group.

To extend it to two groups (say A and B), you can count up the possibilities like this:

To get 4 correct, you have to get 2 correct in each group. You have 1 chance out of 6 in each group, so the total chance is (1/6)(1/6) = 1/36.

To get 3 correct, you have to get 2 in group A and 1 in group B, or 2 in B and 1 in A. The chance of getting 2 in A and 1 in B is (1/6)(4/6) = 4/36. The chance of 1 in B and 2 in A is the same, so the total chance is 8/36

To get 2 correct, if you count up all the possibilities you get 18/36.

The arithmetic for 1 correct is the same as for 3, and 0 correct is the same as for 4. So the answer is

4 correct: 1/36
3 : 8/36
2: 18/36
1: 8/36
0: 1/36

You can then "double up" from 2 to 4 groups, and from 4 to 8. For 4 groups, the answer is
0 or 8 correct: 1/1296
1 or 7: 16/1296
2 or 6: 100/1296
3 or 5: 305/1296
4: 454/1296.
 
  • #3
AlephZero said:
You can then "double up" from 2 to 4 groups, and from 4 to 8. For 4 groups, the answer is
0 or 8 correct: 1/1296
1 or 7: 16/1296
2 or 6: 100/1296
3 or 5: 305/1296
4: 454/1296.
That looks like a typo. I suspect you meant 304/1296 rather than 305/1296 for getting 3 or 5 teams correct in 4 groups.
 

1. What is the probability of a particular team winning the World Cup?

The probability of a specific team winning the World Cup cannot be accurately predicted as it depends on various factors such as the team's performance, injuries, and luck. However, the odds of each team winning can be calculated based on their past performance and current ranking.

2. Is the World Cup draw a random selection process?

Yes, the World Cup draw is a random selection process. The teams are divided into different pots based on their FIFA ranking and then randomly drawn to create groups for the tournament.

3. How does probability play a role in the World Cup?

Probability plays a significant role in the World Cup as it helps determine the odds of each team winning, advancing to the next round, or even scoring a goal. It is also used in predicting match outcomes and in making strategic decisions by coaches.

4. Can a team with lower odds still win the World Cup?

Yes, a team with lower odds can still win the World Cup. Though less likely, it is not impossible for an underdog team to surprise everyone and win the tournament. This has happened in the past, making the World Cup an unpredictable and exciting event.

5. How is randomness controlled in the World Cup?

Randomness is controlled in the World Cup through various measures such as the use of FIFA rankings to determine the pots for the draw, strict rules and regulations, and the use of technology to ensure fair play. These measures help maintain the integrity of the tournament and minimize the impact of chance on the outcomes.

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