How do we obtain the Lagrangian of the EM field in Ryder QFT, 2nd Edition?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the Lagrangian of the electromagnetic field and its variation, which leads to Maxwell's equations. The Lagrangian can be written in the form of A^{\mu}[g_{\mu\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial^{\mu}-\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}]A^{\nu} after partial integration and discarding of surface terms. The last derivation involves discarding the first terms of two equations, which can be justified by integration and leads to physically equivalent Lagrangians.
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We have the Lagrangian of EM field: [tex]L=-\frac{1}{4}F_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu}[/tex]

Variation of Lagrangian give Maxwell's equations:

[tex]\partial_{\mu} F^{\mu\nu}=0[/tex].

or

[tex](g_{\mu\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial^{\mu}-\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu})A^{\mu}=0.[/tex] (equation 7.3, p.241)

Ryder, then, claims that after partial integration, and discarding of surface terms, Lagrangian may be written

[tex]L=\frac{1}{2}A^{\mu}[g_{\mu\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial^{\mu}-\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}]A^{\nu}[/tex].

I simply can't figure out this last derivation. Which quantity has to be integrated to give such result? How do we obtain this particular form? I played with various quantities and integrals, but can't prove it..thanx in advance.
 
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[tex] L=-\frac{1}{4}\left(\partial_{[\mu}A_{\nu]}\right)\left(\partial^{[\mu}A^{\nu]\right) =\frac{1}{2}\left[\left(\partial_{\nu}A_{\mu}\right)\left(\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}\right)
-\left(\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu}\right)\left(\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}\right)\right] [/tex]

Now move the derivatives and discard the 4-divergences.
 
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Thank you for your answer! Ok, here we go:

[tex](\partial_{\nu}A_{\mu})(\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu})=\partial_{\nu}(A_{\mu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu})-A_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu}=[/tex]

[tex]=\partial_{\nu}(A_{\mu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu})-A^{\mu}\partial_{\nu}\partial_{\mu}A^{\nu}[/tex]

Similarly,

[tex](\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu})(\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu})=\partial_{\mu}(A_{\nu}\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu})-A^{\mu}(g_{\mu\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial^{\mu})A^{\nu}[/tex].

I can see that discarding the first terms of each equation yields the correct result. But why one should discard these terms? I understand that when integrated, it can be converted to a surface integral and thus equal to zero. But why do we act so in this particular form, without integration?
 
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Nope, discarding only takes place when both 4-divergences are under the integral sign . We act without integration and simply write

[tex]L=L'+ 4div [/tex]

And by integration we see that L and L' are physically equivalent, since the lagrangian action is the same.
 
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Very well then! Thanks again for your help!
 

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