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If evolution is correct, might we be fairly certain than in many thousands of years, the new "intelligent species" on Earth will be an entirely different species, and humans will have long since gone extict?
I see no such assumption whatever. Are we reading the same thread?jim mcnamara said:There is a bad base assumption afoot here-- there is NO direction, NO intention, NO ultimate goal in mind, when Natural Selection works on a population. It does not set out to create more intelligence, nor does it ever set out to do anything in particular.
If evolution is correct, might we be fairly certain than in many thousands of years, the new "intelligent species" on Earth will be an entirely different species, and humans will have long since gone extict?
Are you seriously suggesting that selection will proceed over the next few millenia and intelligence will fall by the wayside? Again, the thing to realize here is that we are NOT talking merely about natural selection any more. Social selection among our intelligent species is greatly dominating natural selection, and it is unlikely - barring a exterminating catastriophe - that other traits will dominate over intelligence in the long run such that we will lose it as a competitive trait. (note that we are talking absolute intelligence i.e. as compared to other survival traits like fleetness-of-foot, we are not talking relative intelligence among an intelligent species).jim mcnamara said:First post:
new "intelligent species". Seems like a strong assumption to me. YMMV.
I don't see how it is possible to project thousands of years into the future with respect to another intelligent species, which has not evolved from homo sapiens. I imagine that some groups of humans would be very concerned if some other species look as if it would challenge humans for dominance.Holocene said:If evolution is correct, might we be fairly certain than in many thousands of years, the new "intelligent species" on Earth will be an entirely different species, and humans will have long since gone extict?
I thought most people were selecting for people that appear to meet the standards of celebrity attractiveness through plastic surgery and cosmetic dentistry. I would think the number of people actually selecting for intelligence instead of appearance are in the minority, at least according to polls we've done here at the forum.DaveC426913 said:Are you seriously suggesting that selection will proceed over the next few millenia and intelligence will fall by the wayside? Again, the thing to realize here is that we are NOT talking merely about natural selection any more. Social selection among our intelligent species is greatly dominating natural selection, and it is unlikely - barring a exterminating catastriophe - that other traits will dominate over intelligence in the long run such that we will lose it as a competitive trait. (note that we are talking absolute intelligence i.e. as compared to other survival traits like fleetness-of-foot, we are not talking relative intelligence among an intelligent species).
:rofl:Evo said:In reality we're selecting for not too bright ugly people that will need even more plastic surgery to be acceptable.
It did not, until this moment, occur to me that the OP might have been speculating about this future intelligent species being other than a descendant of man. That is a completely different question than what I was answering.Astronuc said:I don't see how it is possible to project thousands of years into the future with respect to another intelligent species, which has not evolved from homo sapiens.
One wants to be very careful of saying things like this out loud...Astronuc said:Personally, I was looking for someone who was intelligent or at least could understand what I was talking about, as well as someone who shared similar or mutual interests in arts and sciences. Attractiveness was more or less beside the point.
I thought the OP was referring to an entirely different species, rather than humans evolving to a different species, based on the new "intelligent species" on Earth will be an entirely different species, and humans will have long since gone extict?, and I think that was what Jim was addressing (please correct me if I'm wrong). I would think if humans evolve into something more intelligent, they are still humans.DaveC426913 said:It did not, until this moment, occur to me that the OP might have been speculating about this future intelligent species being other than a descendant of man. That is a completely different question than what I was answering.
I don't mean to infer the my wife (then girl friend) at the time was not attractive. She was definitely cute.One wants to be very careful of saying things like this out loud...
The only appropriate response is that attractiveness was very important in your selection process.
jim mcnamara said:There is a bad base assumption afoot here-- there is NO direction, NO intention, NO ultimate goal in mind, when Natural Selection works on a population. It does not set out to create more intelligence, nor does it ever set out to do anything in particular.
DaveC426913 said:Are you seriously suggesting that selection will proceed over the next few millenia and intelligence will fall by the wayside? Again, the thing to realize here is that we are NOT talking merely about natural selection any more.
Evo said:I thought most people were selecting for people that appear to meet the standards of celebrity attractiveness through plastic surgery and cosmetic dentistry. I would think the number of people actually selecting for intelligence instead of appearance are in the minority, at least according to polls we've done here at the forum.
In reality we're selecting for not too bright ugly people that will need even more plastic surgery to be acceptable.
DaveC426913 said:Don't misunderstand me - I'm not talking about intelligence within the species. I'm simply saying that, as a species, intelligence will always be our primary survival advantage. Fast forward 40,000 years and I doubt that we will be dumb, instinctual beasts that are fleet-of-foot or lethal in tooth and claw. We'll still have the competitive advantage of intelligence.
Note though that once we are intelligent enough, we have a direct and deliberate effect on our own selection process. If we agve up our intelligence it would be because we decided to.GleefulNihilism said:This I'll have to disagree with. Just because intelligence worked pretty well in the past with us doesn't mean it always will. Situations do exist where it is conceivable that for the species to survive we'd give up intellect. I doubt this will happen as well, I'm just saying it's possible.
DaveC426913 said:Note though that once we are intelligent enough, we have a direct and deliberate effect on our own selection process. If we agve up our intelligence it would be because we decided to.
I grant though that it is conceivable.
Evolution is a constant process that has shaped all living organisms on Earth, including humans. As we continue to evolve, it will impact our physical and behavioral characteristics, as well as our ability to adapt to environmental changes.
Technology has already played a significant role in human evolution, particularly in terms of our physical and cognitive abilities. In the future, technology will likely continue to shape our evolution as we develop new tools and techniques to overcome biological limitations and enhance our abilities.
Human behavior is a complex aspect of our evolution that is influenced by a variety of factors, such as genetics, environment, and culture. In the future, as these factors continue to shift and change, it is likely that our behavior will also evolve and adapt to new circumstances and challenges.
Climate change is a major environmental factor that can have a significant impact on human evolution. As temperatures rise and habitats change, humans may need to adapt to new conditions, which could lead to physical and behavioral changes over time.
It is difficult to predict the future of human evolution, as it is influenced by a variety of complex factors. While there may be some limitations, such as the laws of physics, humans have shown a remarkable ability to adapt and evolve throughout history, so it is possible that we will continue to do so in the future.