Understanding the Connection between Dirac Four Spinor and Spin Up

In summary, the Dirac Equation has both positive frequency and negative frequency solutions, and in the normal way of writing a four-spinor, the four solutions do not one-to-one correspond to the four components of the spinor. However, in the nonrelativistic limit, one can approximate the four-spinor as a pair of two-spinors, with one component being dominant. This allows for the use of the Dirac four-spinor in relativistic calculations, such as for the quantum states of the electron in hydrogen.
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Is there a connection between the Dirac four spinor and "spin up", i.e one of the four spinor states is spin up or are these two separate unconected things.
 
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Yes there is a connection - depending on how you write the spinor, one of the four components can be interpreted as the up-component of the electron, one as the up-component of the positron (the other two are the down components).
 
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Sonderval said:
Yes there is a connection - depending on how you write the spinor, one of the four components can be interpreted as the up-component of the electron, one as the up-component of the positron (the other two are the down components).

Can't one use all of the Dirac four spinor in relativistic calculation of, e.g. the quantum states of the electron in hydrogen? Penrose in `The Road to Reality' (pg 629) specifically uses the four spinor to describe the electron only.
 
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galvin452 said:
Can't one use all of the Dirac four spinor in relativistic calculation of, e.g. the quantum states of the electron in hydrogen? Penrose in `The Road to Reality' (pg 629) specifically uses the four spinor to describe the electron only.

Since the four spinor can be associated with only the electron, then if one associate a "spin up" state with one of the spinors what does one associate with the other three spinors?
 
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galvin452 said:
Can't one use all of the Dirac four spinor in relativistic calculation of, e.g. the quantum states of the electron in hydrogen? Penrose in `The Road to Reality' (pg 629) specifically uses the four spinor to describe the electron only.
The Dirac Equation has both positive frequency and negative frequency solutions. The negative frequency ones are sometimes interpreted as negative energy ("hole") states. But in the normal way of writing a four-spinor, the four solutions do not one-to-one correspond to the four components of the spinor. Each solution involves all four components.

If you write the four-spinor as a pair of two-spinors, Ψ1, Ψ2 and put this into the Dirac Equation, you find they are coupled together:

(E + eφ)Ψ1 = c σ·p Ψ2
(E + eφ + 2mc22 = c σ·p Ψ1
where E is kinetic plus potential energy (relativistic energy minus mc2) and φ is the electrostatic potential. Putting φ = e/r, you can solve this pair of equations to find the bound states of the hydrogen atom. As Penrose said, all four components of the spinor are involved in the solution.
 
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Bill_K said:
The Dirac Equation has both positive frequency and negative frequency solutions. The negative frequency ones are sometimes interpreted as negative energy ("hole") states. But in the normal way of writing a four-spinor, the four solutions do not one-to-one correspond to the four components of the spinor. Each solution involves all four components.

If you write the four-spinor as a pair of two-spinors, Ψ1, Ψ2 and put this into the Dirac Equation, you find they are coupled together:

(E + eφ)Ψ1 = c σ·p Ψ2
(E + eφ + 2mc22 = c σ·p Ψ1
where E is kinetic plus potential energy (relativistic energy minus mc2) and φ is the electrostatic potential. Putting φ = e/r, you can solve this pair of equations to find the bound states of the hydrogen atom. As Penrose said, all four components of the spinor are involved in the solution.

Does this mean one can not associate a "spin up" with anyone of the spinors?
Is there any interpretaion of the two-spinor Ψ1?
 
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galvin452 said:
Does this mean one can not associate a "spin up" with anyone of the spinors? Is there any interpretaion of the two-spinor Ψ1?
Yes, in the nonrelativistic limit. In the second equation, (E + eφ + 2mc22 = c σ·p Ψ1, the rest energy mc2 is the largest energy, so we can approximate

2mc2Ψ2 = c σ·p Ψ1 or Ψ2 = (σ·p/2mc) Ψ1

This shows that Ψ2 << Ψ1 in this limit. Consequently Ψ1 is called the "large" component and Ψ2 the "small" component. Furthermore, we can eliminate Ψ2 in the first equation, getting an (approximate) second-order equation:

E Ψ1 = (σ·p σ·p/2m + eφ) Ψ1

This is a direct generalization of the Schrodinger Equation for a particle having spin 1/2, and is known as the Schrodinger-Pauli Equation.
 

1. What is a Dirac four spinor?

A Dirac four spinor is a mathematical object used to describe the spin of a particle in quantum mechanics. It is a four-component complex vector that contains information about the particle's spin and its interactions with other particles.

2. How is a Dirac four spinor related to spin up?

A Dirac four spinor is related to spin up through the Pauli spin matrices, which are used to transform the spinor's components from the spin up basis to the spin down basis. The spinor's first two components correspond to spin up, while the last two components correspond to spin down.

3. What is the significance of the connection between Dirac four spinor and spin up?

The connection between Dirac four spinor and spin up is significant because it provides a mathematical framework for understanding the intrinsic spin of particles and how they behave in quantum mechanics. It also allows for the prediction and calculation of a particle's spin in various situations, such as in an external magnetic field.

4. How does the Dirac equation incorporate the concept of spin?

The Dirac equation, which describes the behavior of fermions in quantum mechanics, incorporates the concept of spin by using Dirac four spinors to represent the spin states of particles. The equation also includes terms for the spin angular momentum and the spin-orbit interaction.

5. Are there any practical applications of understanding the connection between Dirac four spinor and spin up?

Yes, there are several practical applications of understanding the connection between Dirac four spinor and spin up. For example, it is essential for understanding the behavior of electrons in materials, which is crucial for the development of new technologies such as transistors and computer memory. It is also necessary for understanding the behavior of particles in particle accelerators and in the study of fundamental particles and forces.

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