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What do they mean in US politic?
And, what are left-wing and right-wing ?
What are Hawk and Dove in US politics ?
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The terms "Hawk" and "Dove" in U.S. politics refer to individuals who advocate for war and peace, respectively. This discussion highlights the political spectrum, where left-wing aligns with liberal ideologies and right-wing with conservative beliefs. Notably, figures like George W. Bush are categorized as Hawks, while Bill Clinton is identified as a Dove. The conversation also emphasizes the distortion of these labels in contemporary politics, particularly due to the rise of neoconservatism, which has shifted the political center to the right.
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- Familiarity with the political spectrum, specifically left-wing and right-wing ideologies
- Knowledge of neoconservatism and its impact on American politics
- Awareness of historical contexts, such as the Vietnam War and Iraq War
- Research the historical context of Hawks and Doves during the Vietnam War
- Explore the implications of neoconservatism on modern U.S. foreign policy
- Study the evolution of political labels in American politics over the last few decades
- Analyze the impact of trade policies on the liberal-conservative spectrum
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What do they mean in US politic?
And, what are left-wing and right-wing ?
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russ_watters
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A basically, hawk is someone who wants war, a dove is someone who doesn't.
Left and Right are the ends of the political spectrum. Left is "liberal" and right is "conservative" - that applies to the politics of just about any nation.
Left and Right are the ends of the political spectrum. Left is "liberal" and right is "conservative" - that applies to the politics of just about any nation.
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So, Bush is Hawk, and Clinton is Dove?
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Communism-------socialism----------X----------federalism-------Fascism
Here is a simple political spectrum. Ideally, democracy encompasses the egalitarian center between socialism and federalism.(X) Totalitarian states lie along the line outward from socialism to communism and from federalism to fascism.
Liberal and conservative should be within the democratic center of the spectrum. However, in american politics this is more and more distorted by neo conservatism which occupies the line somewhere between federalism and fascism. Neoconservatives equate liberalism with socialism and communism. The center then, tends to drift rightward.
Here is a simple political spectrum. Ideally, democracy encompasses the egalitarian center between socialism and federalism.(X) Totalitarian states lie along the line outward from socialism to communism and from federalism to fascism.
Liberal and conservative should be within the democratic center of the spectrum. However, in american politics this is more and more distorted by neo conservatism which occupies the line somewhere between federalism and fascism. Neoconservatives equate liberalism with socialism and communism. The center then, tends to drift rightward.
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You can forget all of that, except for HAVOC451's post...maybe. At this point every U.S. politician is professionally hawkish. The only difference is in degree.
As far as "liberal" and "conservative"? Your guess is as good as mine; the labels have been so corrupted over the years, especially "conservative", that there is no simple answer.
As far as "liberal" and "conservative"? Your guess is as good as mine; the labels have been so corrupted over the years, especially "conservative", that there is no simple answer.
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"The Hawk and Dove" is a nice tavern on capital hill in DC.
Hawks favor war, doves favor peace. One can be generally hawkish, or dovish, or, one can be a hawk on Iraq, and a Dove on Bosnia for instance. It is not a great system for labelling. One irony is that almost all generals oppose almost all wars. Should we really label them doves?
Left-wing and right-wing are generlly the extremes of liberal and conservative, respectively. It is a bit clumsy, as there are multiple facets to what makes one liberal or conservative. There are also big issues, like trade, which defy labelling.
Njorl
Hawks favor war, doves favor peace. One can be generally hawkish, or dovish, or, one can be a hawk on Iraq, and a Dove on Bosnia for instance. It is not a great system for labelling. One irony is that almost all generals oppose almost all wars. Should we really label them doves?
Left-wing and right-wing are generlly the extremes of liberal and conservative, respectively. It is a bit clumsy, as there are multiple facets to what makes one liberal or conservative. There are also big issues, like trade, which defy labelling.
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Actually the Hawks and Doves were special to the Vietnam war. Although there are a lot of opponents of the Iraq war, and a lot of enthusiasts for it, I haven't seen the terms hawk and dove used recently.