
#1
Nov2904, 06:46 AM

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What is the integral of x*sin(x) and x*sin(ax)?
I have no idea since I have neveer integrated something to get a product... Ohh, it's supposed to be integrated from 0 to 1 for the sin(ax) 



#2
Nov2904, 07:01 AM

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Use "integration by parts".
From the product rule for derivatives, d(uv)/dx= u(dv/dx)+ v(du/dx). We can write that in "differential" form as d(uv)= u dv+ vdu and then rewrite it as u dv= d(uv) vdu. Integrating both sides gives the integral formula [tex]\int u dv= uv \int vdu[/tex]. In particular, to integrate x sin(ax), let u= x, dv= sin(ax) dx. Then du= dx and v= (1/a)cos(ax) so [tex]\int x sin(ax)dx= (\frac{1}{a}x cos(ax)+ \frac{1}{a}\int cos(ax) dx[/tex] [tex]= \frac{1}{a}(x cos(x)+ \frac{1}{a}sin(ax))[/tex]. 



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Nov2904, 07:15 AM

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[tex]\int x sin(ax)dx= \frac{1}{a}x cos(ax)+ \frac{1}{a}\int cos(ax) dx[/tex] [tex]= \frac{1}{a}[x cos(ax) \frac{1}{a}sin(ax)][/tex] 



#4
Nov2904, 12:11 PM

P: 226

Integral of x*sin(ax)
and if its / ? =) as in sin(ax)/x
Or is it so easy that I can do it by myself, don't have time right now... 



#5
Nov2904, 05:08 PM

P: 226

This is what I seem to get, very annoying
[tex]\int(sin(ax)\frac{1}{x})=sin(ax) ln(x)+\int(ln(x) cos(ax))[/tex] or [tex]\int(\frac{1}{x}sin(ax))=\frac{1}{x}cos(ax)+\int(\frac{1}{x^2}cos(ax))[/tex] Any ideas? Are any of the following integrals easy to do? 



#6
Nov2904, 05:34 PM

P: 131

did u try setting u=x and dv=sin(ax)dx ?
this is what i got [tex] \int xsin(ax) dx=\frac{x}{a}cos(ax) +\frac{1}{a}\int cos(ax) dx[/tex] [tex] = \frac{x}{a}cos(ax)+\frac{1}{a^2}sin(ax)[/tex] 



#7
Nov3004, 06:41 AM

P: 226

heh vladimir, I understand the xsin(ax) integral but now I am trying to do 1/x*sin(ax) is this possible? If you look at my previous post you'll see me trying to integrate 1/x*sin(ax)




#8
Nov3004, 05:37 PM

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That's because there is no primitive of the function sinx/x.
I assume you know that ordinary functions can be differentiated and the result be another "familiar" function.But this does not apply for primitives.There are functions like sinx/x,cos/x,exp(x^2),etc. which do not have primitives.That is,u cannot find a function which to differentiate to get the function you wish to integrate. However,numerical methods based on Taylor/Mac Laurin formula(s) can be used to obtain results.For example,to find the primitive of sinx/x,u need to expand sinx and devide each term of the expansion term by x and integrate the results.You'll have then a new infinite series,which could be seen as the Taylor/Mac Laurin exapansion of the function u are looking for. This thing works for functions which "behave" pretty well as to apply Taylor/Mac Laurin formula(s) to them.The 3 examples i have stated prove this assertion. To find definite integral values for the 3 functions mentioned above,try to get a hand on 2 books:M.Abramowitz,I.Segun:"Mathematical functions and tables" and Rytzhik and Gradstein:"Tables of integrals" and search for sine integral function,cosine integral function and erf(error) function. P.S.I'm not at the library anymore,so from now on,when i give indications to certain books always doubt the veridicity of the names and titles stated,as i give them from my memory to which i have no recollection of having ever been treated with glucosis.So it cold fail me someday.Hopefully not soon. 



#9
Dec104, 03:28 AM

P: 226

Thanks man, I was expecting the likes...



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