Does Newton's 1st Law Apply to Satellites in Year 10 Physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the applicability of Newton's first law to satellites, particularly in the context of Year 10 physics education. Participants explore whether the law holds true for satellites in orbit and the implications of forces acting on them.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that Newton's first law applies to satellites, suggesting that in a stable orbit, the forces acting on the satellite (centrifugal and gravitational) result in equilibrium, allowing it to maintain a constant velocity.
  • Others contend that Newton's first law does not apply to satellites because they are in orbit, which involves a net gravitational force acting on them, preventing them from moving in a straight line at constant speed.
  • A participant clarifies that centrifugal force is not a real force acting on the satellite and that it is only gravity that influences the satellite's motion in an inertial frame of reference.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept and acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the nature of centrifugal force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus in the discussion. Participants present competing views on whether Newton's first law applies to satellites, with some supporting its applicability and others arguing against it.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions of forces involved and the conditions under which Newton's first law is applicable. The discussion reflects a mix of conceptual interpretations and misunderstandings.

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Im an aussie in yr 10 pathway 1 physics, so I am no Newton.

However, does Newtons 1st law apply to a satellite and if so, how?(u don't have to anwer the how).

Remember please keep it fairly simple.
 
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zemoth said:
Im an aussie in yr 10 pathway 1 physics, so I am no Newton.

However, does Newtons 1st law apply to a satellite and if so, how?(u don't have to anwer the how).

Remember please keep it fairly simple.

Newton's first law applies only to bodies which are either isolated,meaning the interaction with other bodies is absent/may be consiedered neglecteble,or it interaction with bodies,so that the the vector sum of all forces applied on the body by external bodies is nil.It's the case for the satellite,where are only 2 forces acting on the satellite:the centrifugal force and the (earth's attraction) gravitational force.Since the satellite rounds on a stabile orbit,you might say that it is equilibrium ans so,the first principle would apply.So the satellite would move around Earth on an stable velocity.Those satellites are called "geostationary",since their angular velocity is the same as earth's.

Daniel.
 
No, Newton's first law doesn't apply to satellites. The first law states that if the force applied over a body is null (or the sum of all forces applied are null) that body remains in rest or moving in straight line with constant speed.

In this case our satellite is orbiting, so there's a net force that keeps it moving that way. That's the gravity. It's a common misconception think in centrifugal force as a real force acting over the body. If it were a centrifugal force that canceled the effect of gravity, what prevents the satellite to keep moving in a straight line?

I hope my explanation is clear to you.
 
Evil_Kyo said:
No, Newton's first law doesn't apply to satellites. The first law states that if the force applied over a body is null (or the sum of all forces applied are null) that body remains in rest or moving in straight line with constant speed.

In this case our satellite is orbiting, so there's a net force that keeps it moving that way. That's the gravity. It's a common misconception think in centrifugal force as a real force acting over the body. If it were a centrifugal force that canceled the effect of gravity, what prevents the satellite to keep moving in a straight line?

I hope my explanation is clear to you.

My mistake,sorry.The centrifugal force is an inertial force (hence the name) and it appears only in the Earth's frame if reference.In the satellite's (which provides an inertial frame of reference) there are no inertial forces.The only one that acts is gravity.Silly me... I'm ashamed of myself...
 
Gee Wizz Thnx

Hey Thnx that just saved me around 4 nights of constant migrains and sleep deprivation :biggrin:
 

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