Solution Sets and Linear Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions under which two linear equations, ax + by = c and ax + dy = e, can be considered equivalent based on their solution sets. The focus is on proving that if these equations have the same solution set, they must be the same equation, with implications for the values of a, b, d, c, and e.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution that claims if ax + by = c and ax + dy = e have the same solution set, then c must equal e and b must equal d, thus proving they are the same equation.
  • Another participant challenges this solution, arguing that it improperly assumes specific values for y (namely 0 and 1) without justification, suggesting that the problem may be flawed.
  • A third participant questions whether it is possible for equations like ax + b = c to be unsolvable when a is not equal to zero, indicating confusion about the implications of the initial claim.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous confusion and expresses understanding of the argument presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the initial solution provided. While some affirm the relationship between the equations and their solution sets, others question the assumptions made in the proof, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the assumptions made about the solution sets and the specific values chosen for y in the equations. There is also uncertainty regarding the solvability of certain forms of linear equations under the given conditions.

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Problem
Prove that, where a, b, c, d, e are real numbers and a <> 0, if ax + by = c has the same solution set as ax + dy = e, then they are the same equation.

Given Solution
If a <> 0 then solution set of the first equation is {(x,y) | x = (c - by)/a}. Taking y = 0 gives the solution (c/a, 0), and since the second equation is supposed to have the same solution set, substituting into it gives a(c/a) + d(0) = e, so c = e. Then taking y = 1 in x = (c - by)/a gives a((c - b)/a) + d = e, which gives b = d. Hence they are the same equation.

My Thoughts
I don't buy into the solution above because it assumes that one of the members of the solution set has y = 0 and that another has y = 1. And anyways, you can take any two-variable two-equation linear system (where the equations aren't equal) and solve to get the solution set. Is this problem bogus or what?
 
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No. The equations define straight lines. They are the same solution set iff they are the same line, which is iff they are "the same equation"
 
I don't buy into the solution above because it assumes that one of the members of the solution set has y = 0 and that another has y = 1.

So what you're saying is that if a != 0, then it's possible that ax + b = c (or ax = c) are not solvable (for x)?
 
OK. I see where I was confused. This makes sense now. Cheers.
 

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