What is Feedback: Definition and 245 Discussions

Feedback occurs when outputs of a system are routed back as inputs as part of a chain of cause-and-effect that forms a circuit or loop. The system can then be said to feed back into itself. The notion of cause-and-effect has to be handled carefully when applied to feedback systems:

Simple causal reasoning about a feedback system is difficult because the first system influences the second and second system influences the first, leading to a circular argument. This makes reasoning based upon cause and effect tricky, and it is necessary to analyze the system as a whole.

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    Need feedback if this is possible (first order removal based model)

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    Feedback on a sound controlled light circuit

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    Grandfather Paradox vs. Feedback

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    How does the ideal op-amp model explain the need for feedback?

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    Control Systems: Uncertainties w/ State feedback & Observer controller

    Homework Statement Consider the continuous time state space model governed by: A = [-1 0;1 0] B = [1; 0] C = [1 -1] D = 0 a) suppose we are using the following state feedback and observer gains K = [k1 k2] L = [l1;l2] find the loop gain symbolically using MATLAB (aka find...
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    Feedback in Electronics: Definition & Meaning

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    Leó Szilárd invented a feedback protocol1

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    Can I Provide Feedback on Book Proofreading Errors for Future Printings?

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    So, I'm trying to prove that \lim_{x \to a} f(x) = \lim_{h \to 0} f(a+h) and I'm wondering if this "proof" is correct: Suppose that \lim_{x \to a} f(x) = l and \lim_{h \to 0} f(a+h) = m with l \neq m. Then, for any \varepsilon > 0 there must be some \delta > 0 such that 0 < |x-a| < \delta...
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    Hi my name is Matt. I'm preparing to take my PhD qualifying exam which consists of a 25 minute PowerPoint presentation with oral questioning to follow. If anyone has a few minutes and would like to take a look and offer comments or questions it can be viewed at...
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    {I wrote this a while ago, thought i would share. I know it's not complete, far from complete actually, but if there's enough interest I'll finish it in notime...heak i might even write more expand the index.} INDEX TECHNIQUES OF INTEGRATION 1)Direct Use of Formula 2)Numerical Integration...
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