Baseline Recovery time of Shaper Amplifier output

In summary, the conversation discusses the definition of time constant in relation to the baseline recovery time of pulse detection amplifiers. It is noted that there are different definitions, such as the output reaching 37% or <1% of its final value. It is suggested that for audio purposes, the 10% rule may be sufficient, but for applications with a larger dynamic range, 3-5 time constants may be needed. The conversation also mentions the importance of measuring the final value and reaching 1% of that value for accurate detection.
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I have a Bipolar shaper amplifier and I need to measure its Baseline Recovery time. Though I tried to study baseline recovery time concept but could not understand it.
From the picture in attachment (Black Curve) can some body kindly comment on what Baseline Recovery time is and how to measure it?
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Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Can you post a link to the datasheet for your amp? With a quick Google search I find lots of helpful information on the baseline recovery time of pulse detection amps. Can you post links to some of the reading you have been doing, and ask specific questions about the parts you don't understand? Thanks.
 
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There are different, somewhat common, definitions. They are all based on the time it takes from a step input (like the edge of a square wave) for the output to reach its final value.
They are:
[*] Time-Constant: when the output reaches to 37% of its final value
[*] 5 times the Time Constant: the output reaches to <1% of its final value
[*] 10%: the output reaches to <10% of its final value

For audio stuff, I expect that the 10% rule would be adequate but not ideal.

For a Rock Band you may get away with one Time Constant, 37%.

For Classical, or the 1812 Overture, consider 3 to 5 time constants. ( 3 Time constants gets you within 5% of final value. With the huge dynamic range you would want the recovery time to be quite fast to avoid audible distortion.)

Cheers,
Tom

p.s. These numbers are based on somewhat limited experience, so if someone else has different recommendations, believe them!
 
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I take it this is for a detector readout application. Baseline recovery and restoration is covered in Knoll (the standard text for this area). Basically you have to define how close to the "final value" you need to get and measure that.
What Tom G. said is exactly right, but for you, a simpler way is to put a bunch of equal, widely spaced pulses in, find the final value (since its a bipolar shaper the final value should be the dc operating point), and then see when the output reaches 1% of that value (1% is typical for the accuracy of the kinds of detectors you would usually be reading out). Depending on what you're using the shaper for, it may be a different number.
 

1. What is the baseline recovery time of a shaper amplifier output?

The baseline recovery time of a shaper amplifier output refers to the time it takes for the output signal to return to its baseline level after a disturbance or input signal. It is an important measure of the amplifier's ability to quickly stabilize and accurately reproduce the input signal.

2. How is the baseline recovery time of a shaper amplifier output measured?

The baseline recovery time is typically measured by applying a known input signal to the amplifier and then observing the time it takes for the output signal to return to its baseline level. This can be done using an oscilloscope or other measuring equipment.

3. What factors can affect the baseline recovery time of a shaper amplifier output?

There are several factors that can affect the baseline recovery time of a shaper amplifier output, including the type of amplifier, the design and quality of its components, and the load and impedance of the circuit it is connected to. Environmental factors such as temperature and humidity can also have an impact.

4. Why is the baseline recovery time of a shaper amplifier output important?

The baseline recovery time is an important performance measure of a shaper amplifier as it directly affects the accuracy and fidelity of the output signal. A longer recovery time can result in distortion or inaccuracies in the reproduced signal, which can be detrimental in scientific experiments or other applications where precise measurements are required.

5. Can the baseline recovery time of a shaper amplifier output be improved?

Yes, the baseline recovery time can be improved by using high-quality components, optimizing the circuit design, and minimizing external factors that may affect the amplifier's performance. It is important to carefully select and test amplifiers to ensure they meet the required baseline recovery time for a specific application.

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