Can a magnet have more push force than it weighs?

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a magnet having more push force than its own weight. It is mentioned that if a magnet is placed on top of another with rails to prevent sliding, the force on each magnet will be equal to the mass of the top magnet multiplied by the gravitational acceleration. This can result in the force being greater than the weight of the top magnet. The concept is explained using an example of a 2kg magnet with a push force of 3kg.
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Simple question. Can a magnet have more push force than the magnet itself weighs.
Example: A magnet weighing 2kg having a push force equal to 3kg.
 
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Hello Som1, :welcome:

Simple answer: yes !
 
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JustSomeone said:
Simple question. Can a magnet have more push force than the magnet itself weighs.
Example: A magnet weighing 2kg having a push force equal to 3kg.
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If you try to levitate a magnet on top of another magnet without some sort of rails, active feedback, or superconductors, then the top magnet will simply slide away or flip around and fall. If you do have rails, then it's easy to levitate a magnet on top of another.
 
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I don't understand the diagram. The magnets should be pushing on each other, but you have arrows pointing to the right. What is it pushing on?
 
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Sorry about that, the glow is meant to represent the push force. I updated the arrow direction.
 
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What does Newton's third law say?
 
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Khashishi said:
I don't understand the diagram. The magnets should be pushing on each other, but you have arrows pointing to the right. What is it pushing on?

why are you limiting it to push force ... the pull is just the same
 
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The force from each magnet on the other will be equal in magnitude. Also note that a kilogram is not a unit of force, but a unit of mass (unlike the pound which is a unit of force). If your mass is in kg then your force should be in Newtons (which itself is in units of kg*m/s2).
If you take your magnets and place one on top of the other along with a rail to keep the top from sliding off of the bottom one, the magnitude of the force on each magnet will be equal to the mass of the top magnet times the gravitational acceleration. So in your example:

2kg * 9.81 m/s2 = 19.62 kg*m/s2, or 19.62 Newtons.

This will be exactly enough to balance out the force of gravity on the top magnet and it will remain stationary. If you then add a small amount of mass or press down lightly on the top magnet the two will move closer to each other and until the forces once again balance out. At this point the force on each magnet is more than the top magnet's weight.
 
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1. Can a magnet have more push force than it weighs?

Yes, a magnet can have more push force than it weighs. This is because the force of a magnet is not determined by its weight, but rather by its magnetic field and the strength of its poles.

2. How is push force measured in a magnet?

Push force, also known as magnetic force, is measured in a unit called Newtons (N). This unit measures the strength of the force exerted by the magnet on another object.

3. What factors affect the push force of a magnet?

The push force of a magnet is affected by several factors including the strength of its poles, the size and shape of the magnet, and the distance between the magnet and the object it is attracting or repelling.

4. Can the push force of a magnet be increased?

Yes, the push force of a magnet can be increased by increasing the strength of its poles or by using multiple magnets together. Additionally, the push force can also be increased by decreasing the distance between the magnet and the object it is attracting or repelling.

5. Is the push force of a magnet always greater than its weight?

No, the push force of a magnet is not always greater than its weight. This depends on the strength and size of the magnet, as well as the distance between the magnet and the object it is exerting force on. In some cases, the weight of the magnet may be greater than its push force.

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