Can curvature ever be greater than at relative extremum?

In summary: Now suppose that we want to increase the curvature of the function ##f_2(x)## without increasing the maximum. We can do that by adding a small perturbation to the smooth function ##f_3(x)## that approximates ##f_2(x)## better near the point ##x = 1##. If we do that sufficiently often, the perturbation will become indistinguishable from the original function ##f_2(x)##, and the maximum curvature of the function will be increased.This is an example of a "curvature-maximizing" smooth function.
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Homework Statement


For a generic function y=f(x) which is twice-differentiaable, is it possible for there to be a curvature on the curve of that function that is greater than the curvature at its relative extremum?

Homework Equations


curvature_equation.jpg


The Attempt at a Solution


From visualization and a sketch, I would say yes. but I'd like to be able to explain this mathematically.

At the maximum,

K = (d2y/dx2) since dy/dx=0 at the extremum making the denominator equal to 0.
 
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I think so, but no non-parametric examples come to mind.
 
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WK95 said:

Homework Statement


For a generic function y=f(x) which is twice-differentiaable, is it possible for there to be a curvature on the curve of that function that is greater than the curvature at its relative extremum?

Homework Equations


curvature_equation.jpg


The Attempt at a Solution


From visualization and a sketch, I would say yes. but I'd like to be able to explain this mathematically.

At the maximum,

K = (d2y/dx2) since dy/dx=0 at the extremum making the denominator equal to 0.

The denominator had better not be zero! You mean that the denominator = 1.

Anyway, the answer to your question is yes, we can devise a function with maximal curvature at a non-stationary point. I will explain how we can do that.

First, start with a base function, such as ##f_1(x) = c_0 + c_1(x-a)(b-x)## whose maximum occurs at the average of ##a## and ##b##; that is, ##x_1 = (a+b)/2##. Imagine that the gap ##b-a## is large and the coefficient ##c_1 > 0## is small; that will make the maximum at ##x_1## occur where the graph ##y = f(x)## has "small" curvature. Suppose that ##x_1 > 2##, say, and that ##f_1(1) = c_0 + c_1 (1-a)(b-1) = 1## by choice of ##c_0##. Now consider the new function
[tex] f_2(x) = \begin{cases} x & x < 1 \\
f_1(x) & x \geq 1
\end{cases} [/tex]
The function ##f_2(x)## is maximized at ##x = x_1##, which is a stationary point. It is continuous, but has a discontinuous derivative at ##x = 1##. Now imagine "smoothing out" the break at ##x = 1## by a nearby infinitely-differentiable smooth function, to get a new function ##f_3(x)## that has everywhere continuous derivatives of all orders, but closely resembles the function ##f_2(x)##. Its curvature will be very large and maximal near the point ##x = 1##, but its only stationary point will be near ##x = x_1##, which is ##> 2##.

Such smoothing functions occur, for example, in constrained optimization, where they are sometimes used to approximate absolute barrier functions. For example, we can approximate the function ##|x|## by a ##C^{\infty}## function such as ##\sqrt{x^2 + \epsilon^2}##, which is close to ##|x|## for small ##|\epsilon|##, and for ##x## values away from 0. In a similar way, you can approximate a "ramp" function such as ##f(x) = x, \: x < 0## and ##f(x) = 0, \; x \geq 0## by an infinitely smooth nearby version. You can do the same type of thing to the non-smooth function ##f_2## constructed above.
 
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1. Can curvature ever be greater than at relative extremum?

Yes, it is possible for curvature to be greater than at a relative extremum. This can occur when there is a sharp change in the direction of the curve, resulting in a high curvature value.

2. How is curvature measured?

Curvature is typically measured using the radius of curvature or the reciprocal of the radius of curvature. It is also commonly measured as the second derivative of a curve at a specific point.

3. What is a relative extremum?

A relative extremum is a point on a curve where the slope of the tangent line changes from positive to negative (or vice versa). This means that the curve changes direction at this point, and the curvature value is at a maximum or minimum.

4. Why is it important to understand curvature?

Understanding curvature is important in a variety of fields, including mathematics, physics, and engineering. It helps us analyze and describe the shape of curves and surfaces, and is essential in solving many real-world problems.

5. How does curvature affect the behavior of a curve?

Curvature plays a significant role in determining the behavior of a curve. A high curvature value indicates a sharp change in direction, while a low curvature value indicates a gradual change. This affects the smoothness and sharpness of the curve, as well as its turning points and inflection points.

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