Could entropy be reversed eventually in the far future?

In summary: Yes, because then there would be no cosmological horizon and the "amount of universe" that was accessible would increase without bound.
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Suekdccia
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Could entropy be reversed eventually with infinite time in the far future?
In the far future there will be most likely a point where a maximal state of entropy will be reached in the universe and after the last black hole evaporates there could be no more structures and no more work could be done.

According to the Poincaré recurrence theorem for a closed universe there could be a reversal of entropy in long-term periods. However in a flat universe with an accelerated expansion it is not so clear that this theorem holds.

However, are there any other mechanisms through which entropy could be ever reversed eventually after reaching heat death? Perhaps something related with quantum fluctuations?
 
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"Could entropy be reversed" makes no sense. Entropy is a thermodynamic quantity. Could temperature be reversed? Could heat capacity be reversed?
 
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Suekdccia said:
In the far future there will be most likely a point where a maximal state of entropy will be reached in the universe
Not if the universe keeps expanding. There is no maximum entropy in a universe that expands forever.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Not if the universe keeps expanding. There is no maximum entropy in a universe that expands forever.
Isn't it assymtotic to a maximum.
In the far distant future with very few particles around the entropy of the cosmic event horizon predominates.
Presently the universe has a physical deficit from the maximum.
 
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256bits said:
In the far distant future with very few particles around the entropy of the cosmic event horizon predominates.
Ah, that's right, in the presence of a cosmological constant things will asymptote to de Sitter spacetime in the far future, which has a constant finite entropy for any given region.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Ah, that's right, in the presence of a cosmological constant things will asymptote to de Sitter spacetime in the far future, which has a constant finite entropy for any given region.
Would temperature drop to 0K in such universe?
 
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Suekdccia said:
Would temperature drop to 0K in such universe?
No, it would only drop to the horizon temperature, which is a finite value that depends on the value of the cosmological constant.
 
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PeterDonis said:
No, it would only drop to the horizon temperature, which is a finite value that depends on the value of the cosmological constant.
Also, here it seems to indicate a mechanism through which new structures could form black holes even after the last one evaporates with denisty perturbations (https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9701131), see F.1. and VI. D. (Even for an open universe, the question of reaching heat death seems open)
 
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PeterDonis said:
No, it would only drop to the horizon temperature, which is a finite value that depends on the value of the cosmological constant.
Also, if the cosmological constant vanished, would we be again in the case whwre maximal entropy is never reached?
 
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Suekdccia said:
if the cosmological constant vanished, would we be again in the case whwre maximal entropy is never reached?
Yes, because then there would be no cosmological horizon and the "amount of universe" that was accessible would increase without bound.
 

1. What is entropy and why is it important?

Entropy is a measure of the disorder or randomness in a system. It is important because it helps us understand the direction of processes and the availability of energy in a system. In a closed system, entropy always increases over time.

2. Can entropy be reversed?

According to the second law of thermodynamics, entropy can never decrease in a closed system. This means that it cannot be reversed in the traditional sense. However, there are some theories that suggest that entropy may be able to decrease in certain circumstances, such as in the far future or in highly organized systems.

3. What is the concept of "negentropy"?

Negentropy, also known as negative entropy, refers to a decrease in entropy or an increase in order in a system. It is often used to describe the process of living organisms maintaining their internal order despite the tendency towards disorder in the universe.

4. Is it possible for entropy to decrease in the far future?

There is currently no scientific evidence to suggest that entropy will decrease in the far future. However, some theories propose that in the distant future, the universe may reach a state of maximum entropy, known as the "heat death" of the universe. In this state, all energy will be evenly distributed and no work will be possible.

5. How does the concept of entropy relate to the arrow of time?

The arrow of time refers to the asymmetry of time, where time only moves in one direction. Entropy is closely related to the arrow of time because it is a measure of the direction of processes in a system. Entropy always increases with time, which corresponds to the direction of the arrow of time.

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