Definite integral doesn't solve with L'Hopital

Yes, you're correct, it's the sandwich rule. However, in this case, it's easier to just use the limit definition of the integral.
  • #1
Karol
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Originally posted in a technical math forum, so is missing the homework template
I want to solve:
$$\int_0^\infty \frac{dx}{\left( x^2+r^2 \right)^{3/2}}=\left[ \frac{x}{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}\right]_0^\infty$$
I apply L'Hopital's to the denominator:
$$\left(r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}\right)'=\frac{xr^2}{\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}$$
I apply again and agin L'Hopital to this but all the time almost the same result.
 
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Don't use L'Hopital. Divide the numerator and denominator by x.
 
  • #3
Only the denominator:
$$\frac{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}{x}=\frac{r^4\left(x^2+r^2\right)}{x^2}=r^2\left(1+\frac{r^2}{x^2}\right)$$
And the whole integral is:
$$\left[ \frac{x}{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}\right]_0^\infty=\left[ \frac{1}{r^2\left(1+\frac{r^2}{x^2}\right)}\right]_0^\infty=\frac{1}{r^2}$$
Is that correct?
 
  • #4
Karol said:
Only the denominator:
$$\frac{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}{x}=\frac{r^4\left(x^2+r^2\right)}{x^2}=r^2\left(1+\frac{r^2}{x^2}\right)$$
This isn't valid. You can't just go in and square something to get rid of the radical.
Karol said:
And the whole integral is:
$$\left[ \frac{x}{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}\right]_0^\infty=\left[ \frac{1}{r^2\left(1+\frac{r^2}{x^2}\right)}\right]_0^\infty=\frac{1}{r^2}$$
Is that correct?
It's the right answer but the work you show is definitely flaky. To evaluate the expression you have on the left, you need to use limits.
$$\frac{x}{r^2\sqrt{x^2 + r^2}} = \frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}$$
Can you find the limit as x → ∞ of the last expression?
 
  • #5
As x→∞:
##\frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}<\frac{x}{r^2x}=\frac{1}{r^2}##
And on the other hand:
##\frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}>\frac{\frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}=\frac{x}{\left(1 + r^2/x^2\right)xr^2}=\frac{1}{\left(1 + r^2/x^2\right)r^2}\rightarrow\frac{1}{r^2}##
It's the sandwich rule, am i correct?
 
  • #6
Karol said:
As x→∞:
##\frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}<\frac{x}{r^2x}=\frac{1}{r^2}##
For any finite value of x, x/x = 1, so the factors of x in the numerator and denominator cancel. Inside the radical, r2/x2 → 0 as x → ∞.

The work would look like this:
$$\lim_{x \to \infty}\frac{x}{x r^2 \sqrt{1 + \frac{r^2}{x^2}}} = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{1}{r^2\sqrt{1 + \frac{r^2}{x^2}} } = \frac{1}{r^2}$$
You shouldn't have '<'.

Apparently you're trying to get a lower bound in the work below. Using the sandwich theorem is a lot more work here than is necessary.
Karol said:
And on the other hand:
##\frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}>\frac{\frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}=\frac{x}{\left(1 + r^2/x^2\right)xr^2}=\frac{1}{\left(1 + r^2/x^2\right)r^2}\rightarrow\frac{1}{r^2}##
It's the sandwich rule, am i correct?
 
  • #7
Thanks
 

1. Why doesn't L'Hopital's rule work for definite integrals?

L'Hopital's rule is a method used to find the limit of a function as it approaches a certain value. However, this method is only applicable to limits and does not work for definite integrals because they involve the entire range of the function rather than just a specific point.

2. Can L'Hopital's rule be used for indefinite integrals?

Yes, L'Hopital's rule can be applied to indefinite integrals, or integrals with no specific limits. This is because the rule is used to find the limit of a function as it approaches a certain value, which can be applied to indefinite integrals.

3. Are there any other methods for solving definite integrals besides L'Hopital's rule?

Yes, there are several other methods for solving definite integrals, such as using integration by parts, substitution, and trigonometric identities. These methods are better suited for definite integrals as they take into account the entire range of the function.

4. Can L'Hopital's rule be used to solve improper integrals?

No, L'Hopital's rule is not applicable to improper integrals as they involve infinite limits or discontinuous functions. In these cases, other methods such as the limit comparison test or the Cauchy principal value method should be used.

5. Is there a general rule for when L'Hopital's rule can be applied to integrals?

No, there is no specific rule for when L'Hopital's rule can be used for integrals. It is important to carefully consider the limits and conditions of the integral to determine if L'Hopital's rule can be applied. In some cases, it may not be applicable and other methods should be used instead.

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