Delta x in the derivation of Lagrange equation

In summary, the first step in deriving the Lagrange equation of motion involves multiplying the integral of ƒ(y(x),y'(x);x)dx from x1 to x2 by the variation δ. However, this is not a multiplication by δ, but rather the variation of the integral based on variations in the functional argument y(x). This means that x is independent of the variations in y(x) as a function, but it does depend on the variations in the values of y(x). The book "Classical dynamics of Particles and Systems" by Marion and Thornton omits the application of the chain rule to x, as x1 and x2 are fixed and therefore go to zero.
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Hello PF,

I was doing the derivation of the Lagrange equation of motion and had to do some calculus of variations.

The first step in the derivation is to multiply the integral of ƒ(y(x),y'(x);x)dx from x1 to x2 by δ.

and then by the chain rule we proceed. But I cannot understand why we are not applying the chain rule to x too. All the proofs omit this part saying that x1 x2 are fixed and thus it goes to zero.

The book I am using is "Classical dynamics of Particles and Systems" by Marion and Thornton.

Thank you!
 
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jamalkoiyess said:
The first step in the derivation is to multiply the integral of ƒ(y(x),y'(x);x)dx from x1 to x2 by δ.
It is not a multiplication by delta. It is the variation of the integral based on variations in the functional argument y(x).
 
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x is independent from the variations of y(x) as a function (but x depends on the variations of the values of the function y(x)).

What we mean by "variations of y(x) as a function" are other functions ##g_{\epsilon}(x)=y(x)+\epsilon\eta (x)## for some fixed function ##\eta(x)## and for any ##\epsilon>0##. So what we basically mean is that x is independent of ##\epsilon##.
 
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What is Delta x in the derivation of Lagrange equation?

Delta x represents the small change in the position of a particle in a system. It is used to calculate the total change in the system's energy over a specific time interval.

How is Delta x used in the derivation of Lagrange equation?

In the derivation of Lagrange equation, Delta x is used to represent the change in the position of the particle in terms of its initial and final positions. It is also used to calculate the total change in the system's energy.

Why is Delta x important in the derivation of Lagrange equation?

Delta x is important in the derivation of Lagrange equation because it allows us to express the change in the system's energy in terms of the particle's position. This helps us to understand the dynamics of the system and make predictions about its future behavior.

What are the units of Delta x in the derivation of Lagrange equation?

The units of Delta x in the derivation of Lagrange equation depend on the units of the system's energy and the particle's position. For example, if the system's energy is measured in joules and the particle's position is measured in meters, then Delta x would have units of joules per meter.

How is Delta x related to the principle of least action in the derivation of Lagrange equation?

In the derivation of Lagrange equation, Delta x is used to calculate the change in the system's energy over a specific time interval. This energy change is minimized in the principle of least action, which states that the system will follow the path that minimizes the total change in energy. Delta x is therefore a crucial component in understanding the principle of least action and its application in the derivation of Lagrange equation.

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