In summary, the problem involves finding the velocity of light through a wall at different angles when a police car siren spins at 30 revolutions per minute. Using the formula x=50tan(α) and dx/dt=50(sec2α)(dα/dt), the values for dx/dt were calculated but did not match the textbook answers. It was discovered that the value for dα/dt was missing in the formula for dx/dt, which led to incorrect results.
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Homework Statement



A police car is parked 50 feet away from a wall. The police car siren spins at 30 revolutions per minute. What is the velocity the light moves through the wall when the beam forms angles of: a) α= 30°, b) α=60°, and c) α=70°?

This is the diagram:
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Where:
  • α is the angle the light beam makes with the siren (and it is a variable)
  • dα/dt is the angular velocity of the light beam (and it is a constant; 30 revolutions per minute)
  • x is the length of what the beam hits in the wall (it is a variable)
  • dx/dt is velocity on how much light is being struck in the wall (it is a variable, and what's we are supposed to compute with the given data)
  • Also we have the distance between the police car and the wall, which is also a constant and is 50 feet.
Ok, before going to the formulas, according to my textbook the answers should be:
  • When the angle is 30° (= 0.524 rad) the velocity is 200π/3 feet per second
  • When the angle is 60° (= 1.047 rad) the velocity is 200π feet per second
  • When the angle is 70° (= 1.222 rad) the velocity is approximately 427.43π feet per second

Homework Equations



Well, this is a calculus problem, it does not take a pre-shaped formula as in physics or chemistry. However, we are dealing with derivatives as a rate of change. I found the relationship which may lead to the problem answer:

If we consider the previous diagram the formulas are:
  • x=50tan(α) which leads to the one below
  • dx/dt=50(sec2α)(dα/dt)= 50(1/cos2α) (this is the equation I used for attempting to solve the problem)
NOTE: For getting the second equation, I used the trigonometric derivatives rules

The Attempt at a Solution



I did use the last formula; replacing with the given data we get:

For the angle of ,524 rad
dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=66.69 ft/s which is not the same as 200π/3 ft/s
For the angle of 1,047 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=201.96 ft/s which is not the same as 200π ft/s
For the angle of 1,222 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=423.4 ft/s which is not the same as 427.43 ft/s

I need to see what I'm doing wrong; I've been stuck in this problem for about an hour and a half :(
 

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MarcusAu314 said:

Homework Statement



A police car is parked 50 feet away from a wall. The police car siren spins at 30 revolutions per minute. What is the velocity the light moves through the wall when the beam forms angles of: a) α= 30°, b) α=60°, and c) α=70°?

This is the diagram:
https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10665816_1485403331744206_1785843909705272494_n.jpg?oh=8c58e875096c8045213bef3bff034736&oe=54BD392F
Where:
  • α is the angle the light beam makes with the siren (and it is a variable)
  • dα/dt is the angular velocity of the light beam (and it is a constant; 30 revolutions per minute)
  • x is the length of what the beam hits in the wall (it is a variable)
  • dx/dt is velocity on how much light is being struck in the wall (it is a variable, and what's we are supposed to compute with the given data)
  • Also we have the distance between the police car and the wall, which is also a constant and is 50 feet.
Ok, before going to the formulas, according to my textbook the answers should be:
  • When the angle is 30° (= 0.524 rad) the velocity is 200π/3 feet per second
  • When the angle is 60° (= 1.047 rad) the velocity is 200π feet per second
  • When the angle is 70° (= 1.222 rad) the velocity is approximately 427.43π feet per second

Homework Equations



Well, this is a calculus problem, it does not take a pre-shaped formula as in physics or chemistry. However, we are dealing with derivatives as a rate of change. I found the relationship which may lead to the problem answer:

If we consider the previous diagram the formulas are:
  • x=50tan(α) which leads to the one below
  • dx/dt=50(sec2α)(dα/dt)= 50(1/cos2α) (this is the equation I used for attempting to solve the problem)
In your formula for dx/dt, it looks like you have lost dα/dt at the end.
MarcusAu314 said:
NOTE: For getting the second equation, I used the trigonometric derivatives rules

The Attempt at a Solution



I did use the last formula; replacing with the given data we get:

For the angle of ,524 rad
dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=66.69 ft/s which is not the same as 200π/3 ft/s
For the angle of 1,047 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=201.96 ft/s which is not the same as 200π ft/s
For the angle of 1,222 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=423.4 ft/s which is not the same as 427.43 ft/s

I need to see what I'm doing wrong; I've been stuck in this problem for about an hour and a half :(
 
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In addition to Mark44's comments, don't change everything to decimals. Use ##30^\circ = \frac \pi 6##radians and ##30##rpm##=\pi##rad/sec.
 
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Thanks everyone, I checked and I got it right.
 

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