Finding a Counterexample to a Wrong Statement about Limits

In summary, the conversation discusses finding a counterexample to a statement about the limit of a function. The statement in question defines the limit as the number L, where for any epsilon greater than 0, there exists a value of x such that the absolute value of the function f(x) minus L is less than epsilon. However, the speaker is unsure if this is a valid definition and is seeking help in finding a counterexample. The conversation also suggests looking for functions that rapidly approach a point but have different function values, to find a counterexample.
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Homework Statement
The number L is the limit of ƒ(x) as x approaches c if, given any epsilon greater than 0, there exists a value of x for which lƒ(x) - Ll is less than epsilon.
Relevant Equations
lf(x)-Ll < epsilon
I’m complete stuck on this problem. I am not sure how to start to find a counterexample to this statement.
 
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another way is:

1. let ##f=x##
2. show that the limit of ##f## at ##a## is ##b##, where ##b\neq a##, by finding an ##x## such that ##|f(x)-b|<\epsilon##
3. conclude that the statement is false
 
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vibha_ganji said:
Homework Statement:: The number L is the limit of ƒ(x) as x approaches c if, given any epsilon greater than 0, there exists a value of x for which lƒ(x) - Ll is less than epsilon.
Relevant Equations:: lf(x)-Ll < epsilon

I’m complete stuck on this problem. I am not sure how to start to find a counterexample to this statement.
Do you think it might be a valid definition of a limit? If not, why not? What's wrong with it?

You need to see what's wrong with that definition, and then you can find a counterexample.
 
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This is a homework problem, so we can only give hints and redirection to the work that you show us.
For counterexamples, look for functions that "wiggle around widely and very rapidly" as it approaches a point. There will be a sequence of x values that approach that point and whose function values are the same, but it wiggles around so that another sequence of x values approaches the same point and all have a second function value.
 
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Does this 'definition' actually require [itex]x[/itex] to be anywhere near [itex]c[/itex]?

Your relevant equations section should really have included the actual definition of a limit.
 
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1. How do you know when a statement about limits is wrong?

A statement about limits is wrong if it does not hold true for all values of the independent variable. This can be determined by finding a counterexample, which is a specific value of the independent variable that makes the statement false.

2. What is a counterexample?

A counterexample is a specific value of the independent variable that makes a statement about limits false. It is used to disprove a statement and show that it does not hold true for all values of the independent variable.

3. How do you find a counterexample to a wrong statement about limits?

To find a counterexample, you can start by plugging in different values for the independent variable and checking if the statement holds true for each value. If you find a value that makes the statement false, then you have found a counterexample.

4. Why is finding a counterexample important in mathematics?

Finding a counterexample is important because it allows us to disprove statements and show that they do not hold true for all values. This helps us refine our understanding of mathematical concepts and can lead to the discovery of new theorems and principles.

5. Can a statement about limits be proven using a counterexample?

No, a statement about limits cannot be proven using a counterexample. A counterexample only shows that a statement is false for a specific value, but it does not prove that the statement is true for all other values. To prove a statement about limits, you need to use mathematical reasoning and proofs.

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