Forces acting on a block which is lying on another block

In summary, the conversation discusses free body diagrams and the forces acting on two blocks, A and B. For block A, the forces include weight, normal force, contact force with B, and a force due to sin(36.8°). The acceleration on the y-axis is 0 since the goal is to calculate the maximum force before B slides on A. For block B, the forces include weight and contact force, while the acceleration on the x-axis is 0. It is also noted that the contact force with B may include a frictional component. The conversation also includes equations for the free body diagrams of both blocks and clarifications on the values of P and the accelerations.
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Homework Statement
In the picture, the coefficient of static and dynamic friction for all contact surfaces are ##0.4## and ##0.14##, respectively. The mass of ##A## is ##73 kg## and the mass of ##B## is ##22 kg##. Determine the maximum force so that B doesn't slide. Then, suppose that the force applied to the system is greater than the force calculated previously, how much time would it take for the blocks to move ##10 m##?
Relevant Equations
Newton's equations
Well, I'm having trouble with the free body diagrams. For ##A## we have
##y)## weight, normal force, contact force with ##B##, ##F . sin(36.8°)##. And the acceleration is ##0## because we want to calculate the maximun force before moving.

##\Sigma \vec F = m . a_y##
##\vec N_A + \vec F . sin(36.8°) - \vec W_A -\vec Fc= 0##

##x)## ##F . cos(36.8°)##, friction force with the ground and friction force with ##B## and the acceleration is 0.

##F. cos(36.8°) - Fr - Fr_B=0##

##Fr## and ##Fr_B## have the same direction, don't they? Because the friction with ##B## must be pushing ##B## towards, and then the reaction force is in the opposite direction.

For ##B## we have:
##y)## weight and contact force (normal force)

##\vec N_B - \vec W_B =0##

##x)## friction force with ##A##
But is this force pointing to the right? And then, is the string applying a force on ##B##?And then when I want to answer the second question, do they move equally? I mean, if ##A## traveled ##10 m## so did ##B##
 

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Like Tony Stark said:
normal force, contact force with B
The contact force with B could include a frictional component in general. Better to say normal force from ground, normal force from B.
Like Tony Stark said:
the acceleration is 0 because we want to calculate the maximun force before moving.
No, it's the maximum force before B slides on A. A will be moving by then.
 
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haruspex said:
The contact force with B could include a frictional component in general. Better to say normal force from ground, normal force from B.

No, it's the maximum force before B slides on A. A will be moving by then.

So the free body diagram for A is
##x) F.cos(36,8°)-Fr-Fr_{AB}=m.a_x##
##y) F.sin(36,8°)+N-P-F_{AB}=m.a_y##

And for B is
##x) Fr_{AB}=m.a_x##
##y) F_{AB}-P=m.a_y##

Is this correct?

And for the ##y)## axis of both bodies the acceleration is equal to 0, isn't it? Because they don't move upwards. Is this right?
 
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Is this correct?
Yes, except what is P in these equations? Not the same in both, I assume.
Like Tony Stark said:
And for the y) axis of both bodies the acceleration is equal to 0
Yes.
 
  • #5
haruspex said:
Yes, except what is P in these equations? Not the same in both, I assume.

Yes.
Sorry, ##P## is weight
Thanks!
 
  • #6
Like Tony Stark said:
Sorry, ##P## is weight
Thanks!
Ok, but different weights for the two blocks, right?
 
  • #7
haruspex said:
Ok, but different weights for the two blocks, right?
Yess
 
  • #8
Like Tony Stark said:
Yess
Ok, so can you solve the equations?
 

What is the definition of forces?

Forces are any push or pull that causes an object to move, change direction, or remain at rest.

What is the difference between contact and non-contact forces?

Contact forces are those that require physical contact between objects, such as friction or normal force. Non-contact forces, on the other hand, act at a distance without physical contact, such as gravity or magnetic force.

What are the types of forces acting on a block lying on another block?

The types of forces acting on a block lying on another block include weight, normal force, friction, and any external forces applied to the blocks.

How does the weight of the top block affect the normal force between the two blocks?

The weight of the top block increases the normal force between the two blocks, as the weight exerts a downward force on the bottom block, which in turn pushes back with an equal and opposite force.

How does the coefficient of friction affect the amount of friction between the two blocks?

The coefficient of friction is a measure of how slippery or rough the surfaces of the blocks are. A higher coefficient of friction means there is more friction between the blocks, making it harder to slide them against each other.

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