From Micro to Macro physics (Emergence)

In summary, the conversation discusses the ability of microscopic physics and a supercomputer to predict the properties of macroscopic objects. It is suggested that while there may be some predictions that can be made through quantum mechanics, the statistical uncertainty makes it difficult for even a supercomputer to accurately predict macroscopic properties. One example given is ferro-magnetism, where theory suggests that elements with half-filled outer shells are likely to have magnetic properties. However, there is still a possibility that this may not occur. The conversation also mentions a discussion and videos on quantum effects that can be seen today.
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Let's say Mary has mastered every microscopic physics from quantum theory to particle physics. But she hasn't encountered iron or other macro objects. Can she predict using say a super computer at her disposal the properties of macroscopic objects? Let's say the super computer can assemble the atoms into all elements and combine them in all sorts of combinations. What objects can she predict and not? In other words, what objects or emergent properties can microscopic physics able to predict given super computer that can assemble all sorts of combinations, even ability to create sentient beings, making love, etc.
 
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You have entered the Twilight Zone with this question. While there are some things that might be predicted via quantum mechanics in the real world, the statistical uncertainty would prevent even a supercomputer from coming up with a valid and viable macroscopic prediction.

The one example I can think of is ferro-magnetism where theory says elements with half filled outer shells are mostly likely to have magnetic properties which then extends to crystalline structure of the element’s atoms that macroscopic magnetism emerges. Even with that there is still a possibility that magnetism won’t emerge if the crystalline regions don’t all line up.

here is a discussion on quantum effects seen today

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/45/22413

Veritaseum and Minute Physics have a couple of videos on this very subject.

 

What is emergence?

Emergence is the phenomenon in which complex systems exhibit properties and behaviors that cannot be predicted or explained by the properties of their individual components. It is the idea that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

How does emergence relate to physics?

In physics, emergence refers to the idea that the behavior of a system at a larger scale cannot be fully understood by studying its individual components at a smaller scale. Emergent properties and behaviors arise from the interactions and relationships between the individual components.

What are some examples of emergence in physics?

Examples of emergence in physics include the behavior of fluids, such as water, which cannot be predicted by studying the individual molecules; the emergence of consciousness from the interactions of neurons in the brain; and the formation of complex structures, such as galaxies, from the interactions of individual stars and planets.

How is emergence studied in physics?

Emergence is studied in physics through the use of mathematical models and simulations. By studying the interactions and relationships between individual components, scientists can observe how emergent properties and behaviors arise at a larger scale. Additionally, experimental studies can also provide insight into emergent phenomena.

What is the significance of studying emergence in physics?

Studying emergence in physics allows us to better understand and predict the behavior of complex systems in nature. It also has practical applications in fields such as biology, economics, and sociology, where emergent phenomena are common. By understanding emergence, we can gain a deeper understanding of the world around us and potentially develop new technologies and solutions to complex problems.

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