Photon density in photon gases

In summary, the equation given by Wikipedia agrees with the equation given by Stefan Weinberg if you replace ##h## with ##\hbar##, but the equation given by Stefan Weinberg does not agree with the equation given by Wikipedia if you replace ##h## with ##\hbar##.
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Hello everybody,

In this Wikipedia article we find an equation for a photon gas which contradicts an equation given by Stefan Weinberg in his book "The first three minutes":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_gas
The equation given here has 16 π k^3 ζ(3) T^3 in the numerator and c^3 h^3 (2 π)^3 in the denominator.
In Weinberg's version of this "(2 π)^3" is missing. Obviously "h^3 (2 π)^3" is "h_quer".
The difference between the two equations is significant.
There is a discussion going on on this Wikipedia page about if this divisor "(2 π)^3" is necessary or not.
I don't understand how this has been noticed since 2011, but nobody made the afford to correct or clarify.

I hope you can help me to end this confusion.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Please don’t write parts of an equation separately and ask people to put the pieces together. Write out the actual equations (both of them!)
 
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Here are the equations as picture files:
 

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You can use LaTeX in this forum - see the link below the reply box. Your formula is $$\frac{16 \pi k^3 \zeta(3) T^3}{ c^3 h^3 (2 \pi)^3}$$and you say the ##(2\pi)^3## is not present in Weinberg's version.
 
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A simple way to approach the issue is to recognize that this problem is likely all about confusion of the use of ##\hbar## vs. ##h##. If you replace ##h## with ##\hbar## in one of the two equations, they will agree with one another. Only one choice will work correctly.

Which means it looks like Weinberg's version is probably the right one. You'd have to check the derivation to be sure, however.
 
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I think it is pretty clear that someone just forgot to change the ##h## to an ##\hbar## in Wikipedia. All other equations in that table are using ##\hbar## and not ##h##.

Kolb-Turner, which I trust, has
$$
n = \frac{\zeta(3) gT^3}{\pi^2}
$$
in natural units (##k = c = \hbar = 1##), which agrees with the Wikipedia entry if you take ##h \to \hbar## there.

See kids, this is why you should not take Wikipedia on face value.
 
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Oh, I see, they tried to use ℏ everywhere, that is why they had to add the (2π)^3 here.
Makes sense, thank you Orodruin.
 

What is photon density in photon gases?

Photon density in photon gases refers to the number of photons present in a given volume of a gas. It is a measure of the concentration of photons in a gas and is affected by factors such as temperature and pressure.

How is photon density calculated in photon gases?

Photon density in photon gases can be calculated by dividing the total number of photons in the gas by the volume of the gas. This is typically done using the formula n = N/V, where n is the photon density, N is the total number of photons, and V is the volume of the gas.

What is the relationship between photon density and temperature in photon gases?

The relationship between photon density and temperature in photon gases is directly proportional. As the temperature of the gas increases, the average energy of the photons also increases, leading to a higher photon density.

How does pressure affect photon density in photon gases?

Pressure has an inverse relationship with photon density in photon gases. As pressure increases, the volume of the gas decreases, leading to a higher photon density. This is because the same number of photons are now present in a smaller volume.

Why is photon density in photon gases important in scientific research?

Photon density in photon gases is important in scientific research because it helps us understand the behavior of light and its interaction with matter. It is also a crucial factor in fields such as astrophysics and quantum mechanics, where the study of photon gases is essential in understanding the properties of the universe.

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