Propeller thrust in restricted air flow environment

In summary, the conversation is about understanding how the thrust and lift of a specific propeller changes as the surrounding air pressure changes. The experts explain that the changes in thrust and torque are directly related to changes in air density, which is affected by changes in pressure. They also mention the use of experimental coefficients and mathematical equations to calculate efficiency and recommend looking into the "Blade Element Momentum Theory" for a better understanding of propeller mechanics. The conversation ends with the person mentioning their project of building a racing drone and using flight control software and load cells to measure its performance.
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looking at where to start understanding how the thrust/lift generated by a specific propeller (hypothetical one) changes as a function of surrounding air pressure.

obviously the lift will go to zero as air pressure decreases.

as pressure increases, modeled by say mounting the propeller inside a sealed air chamber not much bigger in diameter than the propeller diameter and say 10 times the volume, how is lift effected and why?

no specific calculation required, just trying to get my head around the physics.

thanks any replies.
 
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Hi Holulahound:
That's not a question of presure, but of density. Air is a compressible fluid, hence, density is not constant with pressure. Thrust and Torque of a propeller are directly related to density. Hence, when pressure changes, density changes as well and then, Thrust and Torque do the same.

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That Ion, I expected a change, can you link me to any relevant math?
 
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Hi Houlahound
We have no perfect propeller mathematical model by now. Anyway ...some notes ...

Propeller thrust at working RPM:
T= Kt dens N^2 D^4

Required torque at working RPM
Q= Kq dens N^2 D^5

Kt and Kq are experimental coefficients
dens --> fluid density
N ------> Propeller rotation rate given in Herz N= RPM/60
D -----> Propeller diameter

Efficiency is given by the relation between input and output power (Power consumed by the propeller and power delivered)

eff= T V/(2 PI N Q)

Although there is no perfect model,my advice is that having a look to the "Blade Element Momentum Theory" could be a good starting point for "grabbing" the key concepts about how a propeller works.

For an approach to air density at given conditions, the Ideal gas equation can be used: dens= (P M)/(R T)
Where:
P --->> Pressure
M --->> Molar mass (Air is a mixture not a single element --- Use any standard)
T -->> Absolute Temperature
R -->> Ideal gas constant (Value will depend on units)Dont hersitate asking again if needed.

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Thanks great starting point, I will look into it.

I am building a racing drone at this very moment, going to use the free download flight control software and some load cells to measure the bejesus out of it.

Spare time project, expect to get results possibly this year.
 

What is propeller thrust?

Propeller thrust is the force that is generated by a propeller as it rotates, pushing air behind it and creating a forward motion for the aircraft.

How does propeller thrust work in a restricted air flow environment?

In a restricted air flow environment, such as in a wind tunnel or when an aircraft is flying at a high angle of attack, the air flow around the propeller is disrupted. This can affect the efficiency of the propeller and reduce its thrust.

What factors affect propeller thrust in a restricted air flow environment?

The angle of attack, air density, and airspeed can all affect propeller thrust in a restricted air flow environment. The shape and design of the propeller can also play a role.

How can propeller thrust be optimized in a restricted air flow environment?

To optimize propeller thrust in a restricted air flow environment, the propeller design can be modified to minimize drag and increase efficiency. This can be achieved through careful aerodynamic design and testing.

Can propeller thrust be measured in a restricted air flow environment?

Yes, propeller thrust can be measured in a restricted air flow environment using various methods such as dynamometer testing, wind tunnel testing, and flight testing. These methods can provide valuable data for improving propeller performance in restricted air flow environments.

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