Proton decay lifetime prediction SU(5)?

In summary, the SU(5) prediction for the proton decay lifetime can be expressed as \tau_{p} \sim \frac{4\pi}{g_{5}^{2}} \frac{M_{X}^{4}}{M_{p}^{5}}, where g_{5} is the SU(5) coupling and M_{X,p} are the X boson and proton masses. This expression is derived from the GUT Lagrangian and the coupling between the SU(5) representation of quarks and leptons and the X gauge boson. The computation involves parameterizations for the gauge bosons and one generation of quarks and leptons, as well as determining how everything couples to X.
  • #1
Anchovy
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I'm trying to understand how the SU(5) prediction for the proton decay lifetime of [itex]\tau_{p} \sim10^{31}[/itex] yr has been arrived at. I keep seeing it stated that [itex]\tau_{p} \sim \frac{4\pi}{g_{5}^{2}} \frac{M_{X}^{4}}{M_{p}^{5}}[/itex] where [itex]g_{5}[/itex] is the SU(5) coupling and [itex]M_{X,p}[/itex] are the X boson and proton masses. However, I'd like to understand where this expression for comes from and see the full equation. Anyone know?
 
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Let's try to work out at least part of the computation. The presence of ##M_X## suggests that this lifetime corresponds to a process mediated by the ##X## gauge boson. In another post you have the parameterization for the gauge bosons, can you dig out a parameterization for one generation of quarks and leptons. Next, we'll want to work out the vertices for the interactions between ##X## and the quarks and leptons, so we'll want to look at the relevant parts of the GUT Lagrangian.
 
  • #3
fzero said:
Let's try to work out at least part of the computation. The presence of ##M_X## suggests that this lifetime corresponds to a process mediated by the ##X## gauge boson. In another post you have the parameterization for the gauge bosons, can you dig out a parameterization for one generation of quarks and leptons. Next, we'll want to work out the vertices for the interactions between ##X## and the quarks and leptons, so we'll want to look at the relevant parts of the GUT Lagrangian.

Are you talking about the so-called [itex]\overline{\textbf{5}}[/itex] and [itex]\textbf{10}[/itex] representations here?
 
  • #4
Anchovy said:
Are you talking about the so-called [itex]\overline{\textbf{5}}[/itex] and [itex]\textbf{10}[/itex] representations here?

Yes. The rules for how those representations decompose under the SM gauge group tell you how to fit the quarks and leptons into them.
 
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fzero said:
Yes. The rules for how those representations decompose under the SM gauge group tell you how to fit the quarks and leptons into them.

OK so we have
[tex]
\overline{\textbf{5}} = \begin{pmatrix} d_{R} \\

d_{G} \\

d_{B} \\

e^{+}\\

\overline{\nu}_{e} \end{pmatrix}_{R}, \hspace{1 cm}

\textbf{10} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \begin{pmatrix} 0 & \overline{u}_{B} & -\overline{u}_{G} & u_{R} & d_{R} \\

-\overline{u}_{B} & 0 & \overline{u}_{R} & u_{G} & d_{G} \\

\overline{u}_{G} & -\overline{u}_{R} & 0 & u_{B} & d_{B} \\

-u_{R} & -u_{G} & -u_{B} & 0 & \overline{e} \\

-d_{R} & -d_{G} & -d_{B}& -\overline{e} & 0 \end{pmatrix}_{L}
[/tex]
 
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Right. The ##\mathbf{10}## is a bit complicated in color indices, but we can treat it in terms of the blocks. Can you work out how everything couples to ##X##? It's probably best to organize in terms of expressions like ##d^{\dagger a} X_{a\alpha} \ell^\alpha##, where ##a,\ldots## are color and ##\alpha,\ldots## are weak isospin.

Edit: Actually, the right-handed ##d## quarks should be in the ##\bar{\mathbf{5}}##.
 
  • #7
fzero said:
Right. The ##\mathbf{10}## is a bit complicated in color indices, but we can treat it in terms of the blocks. Can you work out how everything couples to ##X##? It's probably best to organize in terms of expressions like ##d^{\dagger a} X_{a\alpha} \ell^\alpha##, where ##a,\ldots## are color and ##\alpha,\ldots## are weak isospin.

At this point do I need
[tex]
V_{\mu} = \begin{pmatrix} g_{11}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & g_{12} & g_{13} & \overline{X}^{R} & \overline{Y}^{R} \\

g_{21} & g_{22}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & g_{23}& \overline{X}^{G} & \overline{Y}^{G} \\

g_{31} & g_{32} & g_{33}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & \overline{X}^{B} & \overline{Y}^{B} \\

X^{R} & X^{G} & X^{B} & \frac{W^{3}}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{3B}{\sqrt{30}} & W^{+} \\

Y^{R} & Y^{G} & Y^{B}& W^{-} & -\frac{W^{3}}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{3B}{\sqrt{30}} \end{pmatrix}
[/tex] ?
 
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Anchovy said:
At this point do I need
[tex]
V_{\mu} = \begin{pmatrix} g_{11}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & g_{12} & g_{13} & \overline{X}^{R} & \overline{Y}^{R} \\

g_{21} & g_{22}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & g_{23}& \overline{X}^{G} & \overline{Y}^{G} \\

g_{31} & g_{32} & g_{33}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & \overline{X}^{B} & \overline{Y}^{B} \\

X^{R} & X^{G} & X^{B} & \frac{W^{3}}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{3B}{\sqrt{30}} & W^{+} \\

Y^{R} & Y^{G} & Y^{B}& W^{-} & -\frac{W^{3}}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{3B}{\sqrt{30}} \end{pmatrix}
[/tex] ?

I realized after posting that the right-handed down quarks should be in the ##\mathbf{5}##, so we have to be careful.

Yes, you need to know that the ##X## is on the off-diagonal there. I don't expect that you should have to explicitly compute the matrix products in components. You should be able to see where the blocks fit together and write expressions in terms of color and weak indices.

Also, I'm not going to try to get numerical factors right. So let's just make sure we keep track of the gauge coupling and other parameters, but not factors of 2 and ##\pi##, at least on the first go.
 
  • #9
fzero said:
I realized after posting that the right-handed down quarks should be in the ##\mathbf{5}##, so we have to be careful.

Yes, you need to know that the ##X## is on the off-diagonal there. I don't expect that you should have to explicitly compute the matrix products in components. You should be able to see where the blocks fit together and write expressions in terms of color and weak indices.

Also, I'm not going to try to get numerical factors right. So let's just make sure we keep track of the gauge coupling and other parameters, but not factors of 2 and ##\pi##, at least on the first go.

OK so am I now supposed to be finding the relevant bits of [itex]\overline{\textbf{5}} V_{\mu} \textbf{10}[/itex] ?
 
  • #10
Anchovy said:
OK so am I now supposed to be finding the relevant bits of [itex]\overline{\textbf{5}} V_{\mu} \textbf{10}[/itex] ?

Not quite. Let's use ##\psi^i## to stand for the ##\bar{\mathbb{5}}## and ##\psi_{ij}## for the ##\mathbb{10}##. The kinetic terms are something like
$$ i \bar{\psi}_i ({\not \! D})^i_j \psi^i + i \bar{\psi}^{ij} ({\not \! D})_j^k \psi_{ki},$$
so we don't get a direct vertex between the ##\bar{\mathbb{5}}## and ##\mathbb{10}## from these. The GUT gauge boson couples the representation to its conjugate.
 
  • #11
fzero said:
Not quite. Let's use ##\psi^i## to stand for the ##\bar{\mathbb{5}}## and ##\psi_{ij}## for the ##\mathbb{10}##. The kinetic terms are something like
$$ i \bar{\psi}_i ({\not \! D})^i_j \psi^i + i \bar{\psi}^{ij} ({\not \! D})_j^k \psi_{ki},$$
so we don't get a direct vertex between the ##\bar{\mathbb{5}}## and ##\mathbb{10}## from these. The GUT gauge boson couples the representation to its conjugate.

Ah ok, I'm having trouble finding out what [itex]{\not \! D}[/itex] should look like, am I right in thinking capital D is referring to covariant derivative [itex]D_{\mu} = \partial_{\mu} - ig_{5}T^{\alpha}V_{\mu}^{\alpha}[/itex] ? So... [itex]{\not \! D} = {\not \! \partial_{\mu}} - ig_{5}T^{\alpha}V_{\mu}^{\alpha} [/itex] ?
 
  • #12
Anchovy said:
Ah ok, I'm having trouble finding out what [itex]{\not \! D}[/itex] should look like, am I right in thinking capital D is referring to covariant derivative [itex]D_{\mu} = \partial_{\mu} - ig_{5}T^{\alpha}V_{\mu}^{\alpha}[/itex] ?

Yes, but I'm using lowercase for ##\mathbf{5}## indices and uppercase for ##\bar{\mathbf{5}}## ones. The adjoint representation appears in ## \mathbf{5} \otimes \bar{\mathbf{5}}##, so we can write an adjoint matrix with one index up and one down. So I would write
$$(D_{\mu})^i_j = \delta^i_j \partial_{\mu} - ig_{5} (V_{\mu})^i_j.$$
 
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fzero said:
Yes, but I'm using lowercase for ##\mathbf{5}## indices and uppercase for ##\bar{\mathbf{5}}## ones. The adjoint representation appears in ## \mathbf{5} \otimes \bar{\mathbf{5}}##, so we can write an adjoint matrix with one index up and one down. So I would write
$$(D_{\mu})^i_j = \delta^i_j \partial_{\mu} - ig_{5} (V_{\mu})^i_j.$$

OK, so,
[tex]
-ig_{5} (V_{\mu})^i_j \psi^{i} = -ig_{5}
\begin{pmatrix} g_{11}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & g_{12} & g_{13} & \overline{X}^{R} & \overline{Y}^{R} \\

g_{21} & g_{22}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & g_{23}& \overline{X}^{G} & \overline{Y}^{G} \\

g_{31} & g_{32} & g_{33}-\frac{2B}{\sqrt{30}} & \overline{X}^{B} & \overline{Y}^{B} \\

X^{R} & X^{G} & X^{B} & \frac{W^{3}}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{3B}{\sqrt{30}} & W^{+} \\

Y^{R} & Y^{G} & Y^{B}& W^{-} & -\frac{W^{3}}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{3B}{\sqrt{30}} \end{pmatrix}

\begin{pmatrix} d_{R} \\

d_{G} \\

d_{B} \\

e^{+}\\

\overline{\nu}_{e} \end{pmatrix}_{R}
[/tex]

[tex]
= -ig_{5}

\begin{pmatrix} ... + \overline{X}^{R}e^{+} + \overline{Y}^{R}\nu_{e}\\

... + \overline{X}^{G}e^{+} + \overline{Y}^{G}\nu_{e} \\

... + \overline{X}^{B}e^{+} + \overline{Y}^{B}\nu_{e}\\

X^{R}d_{R} + X^{G}d_{G} + X^{B}d_{B} + ...\\

Y^{R}d_{R} + Y^{G}d_{G} + Y^{B}d_{B} + ...\end{pmatrix}_{R}
[/tex]

and

[tex]
\delta^i_j \partial_{\mu} \psi^{i} = \partial_{\mu} \psi^{j}
[/tex]
(not sure what happens next with that bit...)

Anyway then we have
[tex]
i\overline{\psi}_{i}(-ig_{5})(V_{\mu})^i_j \psi^{i} = g_{5} \overline{\psi}_{i} (V_{\mu})^i_j \psi^{i}

= g_{5} (\overline{d}_{R}, \overline{d}_{G}, \overline{d}_{B}, e^{-}, \nu_{e})_{L}
\begin{pmatrix} ... + \overline{X}^{R}e^{+} + \overline{Y}^{R}\nu_{e}\\

... + \overline{X}^{G}e^{+} + \overline{Y}^{G}\nu_{e} \\

... + \overline{X}^{B}e^{+} + \overline{Y}^{B}\nu_{e}\\

X^{R}d_{R} + X^{G}d_{G} + X^{B}d_{B} + ...\\

Y^{R}d_{R} + Y^{G}d_{G} + Y^{B}d_{B} + ...\end{pmatrix}_{R} \\

= g_{5} (... + \overline{d}_{R_{L}} \overline{X}^{R}e^{+}_{R} + \overline{d}_{R_{L}}\overline{Y}^{R}\nu_{e_{R}} \\
+ ... + \overline{d}_{G_{L}} \overline{X}^{G}e^{+}_{R} + \overline{d}_{G_{L}}\overline{Y}^{G}\nu_{e_{R}} \\
+ ... + \overline{d}_{B_{L}} \overline{X}^{B}e^{+}_{R} + \overline{d}_{B_{L}}\overline{Y}^{B}\nu_{e_{R}} \\
+ e^{-}_{L}X^{R}d_{R_{R}} + e^{-}_{L}X^{G}d_{G_{R}} + e^{-}_{L}X^{B}d_{B_{R}} + ... \\
+ \nu_{e_{L}}Y^{R}d_{R_{R}} + \nu_{e_{L}}Y^{G}d_{G_{R}} + \nu_{e_{L}}Y^{B}d_{B_{R}} + ...)
[/tex]

This is taking me ages, before I go any further am I OK up to here? Do I need color indices seeing as the 'right handed' is clashing with the 'red'? And have I correctly changed [itex]\psi \rightarrow \overline{\psi}[/itex] by switching particles for antiparticles and right handed for left?
 
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Yes, I didn't want to to get hung up writing all of the components out explicitly. But you are seeing that the ##X## pairs the upper block of the matter fields with the lower block. So maybe we can use a more typical notation here where we use ##q_{a\alpha}## to stand for the left-handed quark doublets, ##u_R^a,d_R^a## for the RH quark singlets, ##\ell_\alpha## for the lepton doublet and ##e_R## for the RH singlet. Then we have something like
$$\begin{split}
& \psi^i = \begin{pmatrix} d_R^a \\ \ell_\alpha\end{pmatrix}, \\
& \psi_{ij} = \begin{pmatrix} f_{abc} u_R^c & q_{a\alpha} \\
-q_{a\alpha} & \epsilon_{\alpha\beta} e_R \end{pmatrix}.
\end{split}$$
From the parameterization of the gauge boson, it looks like ##X## is defined with the color index down ##X_{a\alpha}##, but the complex conjugate would be ##\bar{X}^a_\alpha##.

Edit: Actually ##X = V_{a1}##, while ##Y=V_{a2}##.
 
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fzero said:
Yes, I didn't want to to get hung up writing all of the components out explicitly. But you are seeing that the ##X## pairs the upper block of the matter fields with the lower block. So maybe we can use a more typical notation here where we use ##q_{a\alpha}## to stand for the left-handed quark doublets, ##u_R^a,d_R^a## for the RH quark singlets, ##\ell_\alpha## for the lepton doublet and ##e_R## for the RH singlet. Then we have something like
$$\begin{split}
& \psi^i = \begin{pmatrix} d_R^a \\ \ell_\alpha\end{pmatrix}, \\
& \psi_{ij} = \begin{pmatrix} f_{abc} u_R^c & q_{a\alpha} \\
-q_{a\alpha} & \epsilon_{\alpha\beta} e_R \end{pmatrix}.
\end{split}$$
From the parameterization of the gauge boson, it looks like ##X## is defined with the color index down ##X_{a\alpha}##, but the complex conjugate would be ##\bar{X}^a_\alpha##.

Edit: Actually ##X = V_{a1}##, while ##Y=V_{a2}##.

OK, I haven't forgotten about this, just been very busy, will return to it when I can.
 
  • #16
fzero said:
Yes, I didn't want to to get hung up writing all of the components out explicitly. But you are seeing that the ##X## pairs the upper block of the matter fields with the lower block. So maybe we can use a more typical notation here where we use ##q_{a\alpha}## to stand for the left-handed quark doublets, ##u_R^a,d_R^a## for the RH quark singlets, ##\ell_\alpha## for the lepton doublet and ##e_R## for the RH singlet. Then we have something like
$$\begin{split}
& \psi^i = \begin{pmatrix} d_R^a \\ \ell_\alpha\end{pmatrix}, \\
& \psi_{ij} = \begin{pmatrix} f_{abc} u_R^c & q_{a\alpha} \\
-q_{a\alpha} & \epsilon_{\alpha\beta} e_R \end{pmatrix}.
\end{split}$$
From the parameterization of the gauge boson, it looks like ##X## is defined with the color index down ##X_{a\alpha}##, but the complex conjugate would be ##\bar{X}^a_\alpha##.

Edit: Actually ##X = V_{a1}##, while ##Y=V_{a2}##.

OK I have attached what I've got for $$ i \bar{\psi}_i ({\not \! D})^i_j \psi^i + i \bar{\psi}^{ij} ({\not \! D})_j^k \psi_{ki}$$ but I'm not well practiced with this stuff and the last bit is a step or two away from being complete - I got confused on the last line I've shown here. Also I wasn't sure if the way I've correctly written out [itex]\overline{\psi}_{i}, \overline{\psi}_{ij}[/itex] given [itex]\psi_{i}, \psi_{ij} [/itex] (I've shown what I did for each in the top right corner)?
 

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OK, I realize I had a mistake where ##f_{abc}## should be ##\epsilon_{abc}## in ##\psi_{ij}##, so
$$\begin{split}
& \psi^i = \begin{pmatrix} d_R^a \\ \ell_\alpha\end{pmatrix}, \\
& \psi_{ij} = \begin{pmatrix} \epsilon_{abc} u_R^c & q_{a\alpha} \\
-q_{a\alpha} & \epsilon_{\alpha\beta} e_R \end{pmatrix}.
\end{split}$$
You are on the right track and will get there eventually, but let me try to quickly get the terms that give the ##X## and ##Y## couplings. These are
$$ i \bar{\psi}_i ({\not \! D})^i_j \psi^i + i \bar{\psi}^{ij} ({\not \! D})_j^k \psi_{ki}\rightarrow i \bar{\psi}_\alpha ({\not \! V})^\alpha_a \psi^a + i \bar{\psi}^{ia} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \psi_{\alpha i} + \text{h.c.}$$
The first term gives
$$ i \bar{\psi}_\alpha ({\not \! V})^\alpha_a \psi^a = i \bar{\ell}_\alpha ({\not \! V})^\alpha_a d^a_R,~~~(1)$$
while the 2nd gives
$$\begin{split}
i \bar{\psi}^{ia} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \psi_{\alpha i} &= i \bar{\psi}^{ba} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \psi_{\alpha b} + i \bar{\psi}^{\beta a} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \psi_{\alpha \beta} \\
&= i \epsilon^{bac} \bar{u}_{Rc} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha (-q_{\alpha b}) + i \bar{q}^{\beta a} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \epsilon_{\alpha \beta} e_R.~~~(2)\end{split}$$

Since ##X_a = V_a^1##, the terms with ##X## are
$$ i \bar{e}_L ({\not \! X})_a d^a_R + i \epsilon^{bac} \bar{u}_{Rc} ({\not \! X})_a(-u_{L b}) + i \bar{d}_L^a ({\not \! X})_a e_R
+\text{h.c.}.$$

See if this makes sense to you. I want to check a couple of things to make sure the 2nd term makes physical sense.
 
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fzero said:
OK, I realize I had a mistake where ##f_{abc}## should be ##\epsilon_{abc}## in ##\psi_{ij}##, so
$$\begin{split}
& \psi^i = \begin{pmatrix} d_R^a \\ \ell_\alpha\end{pmatrix}, \\
& \psi_{ij} = \begin{pmatrix} \epsilon_{abc} u_R^c & q_{a\alpha} \\
-q_{a\alpha} & \epsilon_{\alpha\beta} e_R \end{pmatrix}.
\end{split}$$
You are on the right track and will get there eventually, but let me try to quickly get the terms that give the ##X## and ##Y## couplings. These are
$$ i \bar{\psi}_i ({\not \! D})^i_j \psi^i + i \bar{\psi}^{ij} ({\not \! D})_j^k \psi_{ki}\rightarrow i \bar{\psi}_\alpha ({\not \! V})^\alpha_a \psi^a + i \bar{\psi}^{ia} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \psi_{\alpha i} + \text{h.c.}$$
The first term gives
$$ i \bar{\psi}_\alpha ({\not \! V})^\alpha_a \psi^a = i \bar{\ell}_\alpha ({\not \! V})^\alpha_a d^a_R,~~~(1)$$
while the 2nd gives
$$\begin{split}
i \bar{\psi}^{ia} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \psi_{\alpha i} &= i \bar{\psi}^{ba} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \psi_{\alpha b} + i \bar{\psi}^{\beta a} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \psi_{\alpha \beta} \\
&= i \epsilon^{bac} \bar{u}_{Rc} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha (-q_{\alpha b}) + i \bar{q}^{\beta a} ({\not \! V})_a^\alpha \epsilon_{\alpha \beta} e_R.~~~(2)\end{split}$$

Since ##X_a = V_a^1##, the terms with ##X## are
$$ i \bar{e}_L ({\not \! X})_a d^a_R + i \epsilon^{bac} \bar{u}_{Rc} ({\not \! X})_a(-u_{L b}) + i \bar{d}_L^a ({\not \! X})_a e_R
+\text{h.c.}.$$

See if this makes sense to you. I want to check a couple of things to make sure the 2nd term makes physical sense.

First of all for (1) I'm not sure why you got [itex]i \bar{\ell}_\alpha ({\not \! V})^\alpha_a d^a_R[/itex] (ie. quark and lepton) when I had terms that only had quark or only had lepton?

Also I keep seeing fields with that superscript c all over the place ([itex]u^{c}_{R}, e^{c}_{R}[/itex], the attached diagram etc.), what does that indicate? Charge conjugation?

And for (2), on the first line I don't understand what happened there - the first term on the right hand side is the same as what appears on the left hand side, just with [itex]b[/itex] replacing [itex]i[/itex], what's the difference caused by simply changing the label? Clearly there is one because a similar-looking term appears on the right hand side too, this time with [itex]\beta[/itex] replacing [itex]i[/itex]. I can see that [itex]b, \beta[/itex] are both indices on the [itex]\epsilon[/itex]'s but I don't understand what happened there.
 

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  • #19
Anchovy said:
First of all for (1) I'm not sure why you got [itex]i \bar{\ell}_\alpha ({\not \! V})^\alpha_a d^a_R[/itex] (ie. quark and lepton) when I had terms that only had quark or only had lepton?

I'm sorry, I didn't notice that. Looking back at your computation at the last line of (i), You have ##V \psi## and expand to have ##X## in the upper block. But ##X## is an off-diagonal block of ##V##, so it should appear in the lower SU(2) block in that part of the computation

Also I keep seeing fields with that superscript c all over the place ([itex]u^{c}_{R}, e^{c}_{R}[/itex], the attached diagram etc.), what does that indicate? Charge conjugation?

If you look at certain references, a ##c## index is used to indicate the right-handed fields. I am using ##a,b,c## for SU(3) color indices, so I used ##R## to label the RH fields.

Let me review my index conventions. ##i,j,\ldots = 1,2,3,4,5## are SU(5) indices. ##a,b,\ldots=1,2,3## are SU(3) color and ##\alpha,\beta=1,2## are SU(2) weak isospin labels. The way we're parameterizing the upper blocks as color, ##i=1,2,3## are the same as ##a=1,2,3##, while ##i=4,5## are identified with ##\alpha=1,2##. I think this convention is less confusing than making ##\alpha,\beta =4,5##, but it doesn't take some time to get comfortable with.

When I wrote (1), I used the fact that ##X,Y## are the off-diagonal blocks of the SU(5) gauge field so they have one ##a## color index and one ##\alpha## weak index. Then we see that the upper block on ##\psi_i## gets paired by ##X## with the lower block on the conjugate.

And for (2), on the first line I don't understand what happened there - the first term on the right hand side is the same as what appears on the left hand side, just with [itex]b[/itex] replacing [itex]i[/itex], what's the difference caused by simply changing the label? Clearly there is one because a similar-looking term appears on the right hand side too, this time with [itex]\beta[/itex] replacing [itex]i[/itex]. I can see that [itex]b, \beta[/itex] are both indices on the [itex]\epsilon[/itex]'s but I don't understand what happened there.

I am replacing a sum on ##i## with a pair of sums: one over the color part ##a## and a second over the weak part ##\alpha##. So ##A^i B_i = A^a B_a + A^\alpha B_\alpha## with my conventions.
 
  • #20
fzero said:
I'm sorry, I didn't notice that. Looking back at your computation at the last line of (i), You have ##V \psi## and expand to have ##X## in the upper block. But ##X## is an off-diagonal block of ##V##, so it should appear in the lower SU(2) block in that part of the computation
If you look at certain references, a ##c## index is used to indicate the right-handed fields. I am using ##a,b,c## for SU(3) color indices, so I used ##R## to label the RH fields.

Let me review my index conventions. ##i,j,\ldots = 1,2,3,4,5## are SU(5) indices. ##a,b,\ldots=1,2,3## are SU(3) color and ##\alpha,\beta=1,2## are SU(2) weak isospin labels. The way we're parameterizing the upper blocks as color, ##i=1,2,3## are the same as ##a=1,2,3##, while ##i=4,5## are identified with ##\alpha=1,2##. I think this convention is less confusing than making ##\alpha,\beta =4,5##, but it doesn't take some time to get comfortable with.

When I wrote (1), I used the fact that ##X,Y## are the off-diagonal blocks of the SU(5) gauge field so they have one ##a## color index and one ##\alpha## weak index. Then we see that the upper block on ##\psi_i## gets paired by ##X## with the lower block on the conjugate.
I am replacing a sum on ##i## with a pair of sums: one over the color part ##a## and a second over the weak part ##\alpha##. So ##A^i B_i = A^a B_a + A^\alpha B_\alpha## with my conventions.

OK I understand your (1) now and also the first line of (2) but I can't quite work out how to get the second line of (2) ?

Looking at the first term of the second line of (2) I'm not sure why [itex]\overline{\psi}^{ba}[/itex] has been replaced with [itex]\epsilon_{bac}\overline{u}_{Rc}[/itex] and [itex]\overline{\psi}_{\alpha b}[/itex] has been replaced with [itex]-q_{a\alpha}[/itex]
 
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Anchovy said:
OK I understand your (1) now and also the first line of (2) but I can't quite work out how to get the second line of (2) ?

Looking at the first term of the second line of (2) I'm not sure why [itex]\overline{\psi}^{ba}[/itex] has been replaced with [itex]\epsilon_{bac}\overline{u}_{Rc}[/itex] and [itex]\overline{\psi}_{\alpha b}[/itex] has been replaced with [itex]-q_{a\alpha}[/itex]

That's what that block representation of ##\psi_{ij}## means: ##\psi_{ab} = \epsilon_{abc} u_R^c##, ##\psi_{a\alpha}=-\psi_{\alpha a} = q_{a\alpha}## and ##\psi_{\alpha\beta}= \epsilon_{\alpha\beta} e_R##.
 
  • #22
fzero said:
That's what that block representation of ##\psi_{ij}## means: ##\psi_{ab} = \epsilon_{abc} u_R^c##, ##\psi_{a\alpha}=-\psi_{\alpha a} = q_{a\alpha}## and ##\psi_{\alpha\beta}= \epsilon_{\alpha\beta} e_R##.

Oh OK I can see that now looking at
[tex]
\psi_{ij} = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & \overline{u}_{3} & -\overline{u}_{2} & u_{1} & d_{1} \\

-\overline{u}_{3} & 0 & \overline{u}_{1} & u_{2} & d_{2} \\

\overline{u}_{2} & -\overline{u}_{1} & 0 & u_{3} & d_{3} \\

-u_{1} & -u_{2} & -u_{3} & 0 & \overline{e} \\

-d_{1} & -d_{2} & -d_{3}& -\overline{e} & 0 \end{pmatrix}_{R}
[/tex]

so I think I've caught up to you now, I'm OK up to the point of us having terms linking quarks, leptoquarks and leptons. What now?
 
  • #23
So now we go back to the relevant interaction terms
$$ i \bar{e}_L ({\not \! X})_a d^a_R - i \epsilon^{bac} \bar{u}_{Rc} ({\not \! X})_a u_{L b} + i \bar{d}_L^a ({\not \! X})_a e_R
+\text{h.c.}.$$
and determine the vertices that these generate and the Feynman rules for them. For instance, the second term leads to the process ##u_L + u_R \rightarrow X##.

As I said before, I don't want to track factors of ##\pi##, but I want to demonstrate which diagrams can contribute to proton decay and try to make contact with the expression in your OP involving ##m_X## and ##m_p##.
 

1. What is the SU(5) theory and how does it relate to proton decay?

The SU(5) theory is a hypothetical grand unified theory that attempts to unify the electromagnetic, weak, and strong nuclear forces into a single force. In this theory, protons are predicted to decay into lighter particles due to the unification of these forces.

2. How is the proton decay lifetime predicted in SU(5) theory?

The proton decay lifetime is predicted using mathematical equations derived from the SU(5) theory. These equations take into account the coupling constants of the different forces and the mass differences between particles.

3. What is the current predicted lifetime of a proton in SU(5) theory?

The current predicted lifetime of a proton in SU(5) theory is on the order of 10^32 years. However, this prediction is based on several assumptions and is highly dependent on the specific parameters used in the equations.

4. How accurate is the SU(5) theory in predicting proton decay lifetime?

The accuracy of the SU(5) theory in predicting proton decay lifetime is still a subject of debate. While the theory has been successful in predicting other phenomena, there is currently no experimental evidence for proton decay and the predicted lifetime may be significantly shorter or longer than the actual value.

5. What implications would a proton decay have on our understanding of the universe?

A proton decay would have significant implications on our understanding of the universe. It would confirm the unification of the fundamental forces and provide insights into the early universe and the existence of dark matter. It could also have implications for the stability of matter and the ultimate fate of the universe.

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