Showing that formulae are invariant for all values in the domain

In summary, the conversation discusses the validity and applicability of physical laws represented by equations. The experts mention that these equations are based on the requirement that all quantities lie within their specified domains, with additional requirements in certain cases. They also mention examples of equations that have restricted domains, such as Hooke's Law and relativistic equations. The experts also discuss how the equation for current through a diode can be affected by the reference directions for current and voltage.
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I was just thinking about this and couldn't decide whether it was a silly question or not, so naturally I thought I might ask. It was partly prompted by one of the questions asked in the homework section.

Every physical law I can think of is "self-correcting" if you substitute negative values for different quantities. E.g. none of ##V=IR##, ##x = u_x t + \frac{1}{2}a_x t^2##, ##\Delta H = \Delta U + T\Delta S## change form depending on whether any of those quantities are negative. So long as the value of a quantity is within its domain (e.g. ##I \in (-\infty, \infty)##), the equation holds true.

Are all of these equations valid for all real numbers by default? Or do we need to use a symmetry argument of some sort to show that the formulae themselves take the same form no matter whether e.g. ##V## is positive or negative?

And furthermore, are there any examples of physical laws where the domain of a particular variable is restricted (ignoring obvious cases, e.g. lengths must be greater than zero)?

Thanks!
 
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$$E = mc^2$$
##m## cannot be negative, to the best of my knowledge.
Temperature is another measure with bounded domain - on the left - at zero for degrees Kelvin.

Physical laws represented by equations are predicated on the requirement that all quantities lie within their specified domains. In some cases additional requirements apply. For instance Hooke's Law ##F=kx## only applies as long as ##x## is not large enough for the spring to have exceeded its elastic limit. Newtonian and quantum mechanical equations only apply accurately as long as relative speeds and masses are not relativistic. Relativity equations are only accurate as long as distances are not small enough for quantum effects to disrupt them.

Also, how would you classify the equation for current through a diode in terms of the potential difference applied across its terminals? That will be zero for one sign (say negative) and a nonzero for the other sign.
 
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Thanks! It's perhaps not as black and white as I thought.

For instance, it's not obvious that ##V=IR## will apply if the current is negative, but we know from experience (and the passive sign convention) that the equation has no negative signs if the reference directions are in opposite senses. And current is ##\vec{J}\cdot \vec{A}## so can certainly be negative if the reference direction is in the opposite direction to the current density! And in general to use an equation we need to know the allowed domain of each of the variables and the conditions under which the formula is true.

The diode one is a good example, since it's piecewise and also depends on how you setup your reference directions for current and voltage.
 

1. What does it mean to show that a formula is invariant for all values in the domain?

Showing that a formula is invariant for all values in the domain means that the formula remains unchanged regardless of the values of the variables within the given domain. In other words, the formula will produce the same result no matter what values are substituted for the variables within the specified domain.

2. Why is it important to demonstrate that a formula is invariant for all values in the domain?

Demonstrating that a formula is invariant for all values in the domain is important because it provides evidence that the formula is accurate and reliable. It also allows for the formula to be used for a wide range of values within the given domain, making it applicable in various situations and calculations.

3. How do scientists typically show that a formula is invariant for all values in the domain?

Scientists typically use mathematical proofs to show that a formula is invariant for all values in the domain. This involves using logical reasoning and mathematical principles to demonstrate that the formula holds true for all possible values within the specified domain.

4. Can a formula be invariant for all values in multiple domains?

Yes, a formula can be invariant for all values in multiple domains. This means that the formula will remain unchanged and produce the same result regardless of the values of the variables within each of the specified domains.

5. Are there any exceptions to a formula being invariant for all values in the domain?

In some cases, there may be exceptions to a formula being invariant for all values in the domain. This could occur if the formula is only applicable for a specific range of values within the given domain, or if there are certain conditions or limitations that must be met for the formula to hold true.

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