Solving Transimpedance Circuit: Find k in Terms of R1, R2, and Rf

In summary, the circuit of Figure 2 is used to measure very small currents. Derive the relationship between the output voltage V and the input current I.
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Homework Statement


The circuit of FIGURE 2 is known as a transimpedance circuit used
for the measurement of very small currents. Derive the relationship
between the output voltage V and the input current I; i.e. if V = kI
find k in terms of R1, R2 and Rf.
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The Attempt at a Solution


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If current flows from left of Rf to right and V- is 0V then I is negative.

Then Vn (which is the voltage drop over Rf) = -IRfR2 and Rf in parallel have the resistance

R2Rf / (R2 + Rf)We now have a voltage divider:

Vn = {[(R2Rf / (R2 + Rf))] / [ R1 + R2Rf / (R2 + Rf)]} * Vout

Vn = R2Rf / (R1(R2+Rf) + R2Rf) * V
Vn =-IRf

I = -Vn/Rf

I = -[ R2Rf / (R1(R2+Rf) + R2Rf) * V ] / Rf

I = -R2V / (R1(R2+Rf) + R2Rf)

I * (R1(R2+Rf) + R2Rf) = -R2V

V = -[ I * (R1(R2+Rf) + R2Rf) ] / R2V = kI

V / I =k

V / I = -(R1(R2+Rf) + R2Rf) / R2

k = -(R1(R2+Rf) + R2Rf) / R2

The next part states values:
Calculate the current I if Rf = 10 MΩ, R1 = 90 kΩ, R2 = 10 kΩ
and V –0.1 V.

I use these values and plug them into a SPICE program and see that somewhere I am out by a factor of 10.
I just can't find my mistake
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If anyone can help I would be much obliged.

Thanks
 
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Hi WeeChumlee, Welcome to Physics Forums.

I think you want to check the size of your current source. What was your calculated value (in Amps)?
 
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Calculated current was 9.998nA. (So 10nA)
This though should be 1nA . with 1nA the simulation works.
Somewhere is a factor 10 mistake I presume but I son,t see it.
 
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WeeChumlee said:
Calculated current was 9.998nA. (So 10nA)
This though should be 1nA . with 1nA the simulation works.
Somewhere is a factor 10 mistake I presume but I son,t see it.
Can you show the details of your calculation? Let's try to spot the missing 10 :smile:
 
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Here is my recommendation (for a much shorter calculation):
If you place the resistor Rf very close to the common node of R1 and R2 you will see that these three resistors form a star network.
Hence, applying the star-triangle transformation the feedback circuit will be simplified because one of the new resistors is between opamp output and ground.
Hence, this resistor has no influence on feedback - and the remaining circuit looks very convenient (only two feedback resistors).
 
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LvW said:
Here is my recommendation (for a much shorter calculation):
If you place the resistor Rf very close to the common node of R1 and R2 you will see that these three resistors form a star network.
Hence, applying the star-triangle transformation the feedback circuit will be simplified because one of the new resistors is between opamp output and ground.
Hence, this resistor has no influence on feedback - and the remaining circuit looks very convenient (only two feedback resistors).
Yes that works. Another shortcut is to realize that the input current fixes the potential at the resistor junction node. Just write the node equation (KCL) and substitute the fixed potential for the node voltage. The only variables left are the current and the output voltage.

The OP did derive a correct expression for the proportionality constant, so I think the remaining issue will be related to the units used (nA versus pA for example...). I'd like to see the OP's actual calculation for k and subsequent calculation of the current for the given -0.1 V output.
 
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Oh man, I think I got it. Just did the same mistake over and over again somehow.
Getting a beer, leaving it alone for a while, and coming back seem to have done it.
Not got SPICE now but pretty certain I have it now.
Now have I = 9.99exp-10
That's the 10 I was looking for.
:-)
 
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Yup! :smile:
 
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Thanks for your input, I really appreciate your thoughts.
Once I am quite certain what I now have is coorect I shall try the method mentioned as well.
Good thing you asked me to do the math again, I don't know how I got it wrong so many times.
 

What is a transimpedance circuit?

A transimpedance circuit is a type of electronic circuit that converts a current signal into a voltage signal. It consists of a feedback resistor (Rf) and two input resistors (R1 and R2).

Why is it important to solve for k in terms of R1, R2, and Rf?

K is a constant that relates the output voltage to the input current in a transimpedance circuit. Solving for k in terms of R1, R2, and Rf allows us to accurately design and analyze the circuit for a given set of input and output requirements.

What is the formula for solving for k in terms of R1, R2, and Rf?

The formula for solving for k is k = -(R1 + Rf) / R2.

How does the value of k affect the circuit's performance?

The value of k determines the gain of the transimpedance circuit, which is the ratio of the output voltage to the input current. A higher value of k means a higher gain and therefore a larger output voltage for a given input current. However, a very high gain can lead to instability or saturation in the circuit.

Are there any limitations or considerations when solving for k in a transimpedance circuit?

Yes, when solving for k, we must consider the input and output impedance of the circuit. The input impedance should be much larger than the source impedance to avoid loading effects, and the output impedance should be low to minimize noise and ensure proper signal transmission.

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