Taking e to a complex power (telecommunication formula)

In summary: So:5*e^(-1862.5 + j*3197.5) = 5*e^(-1862.5)(cos 3197.5 + j*sin 3197.5)= -1862.5(-.9998 + j*.0223)= 1862.5 - j.0446In summary, the telecommunications formula for calculating the magnitude of a wave on a transmission line is VO = VI e^(-yi), where VO is the voltage out, VI is the voltage in, y is the propagation coefficient, and i is the length of the line. To calculate the magnitude of a wave on a transmission line that is 2.5km from the source and has
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fran1942
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Hello, I am have this telecommunications formula which calculates the magnitude of a wave on a transmission line:
VO = VI e^(-yi)

where:
VO = voltage out.
VI = voltage in (5)
y = propagation coefficient (0.745 + j1.279)
i = length of line (2500)

I am trying to use it to calculate the magnitude of a wave on a transmission line that is:
- 2.5km from the source
- whose input signal is 5V

My attempt is to write it out as below:
VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

But I am unsure if I am have written this out correctly and if so, how to take 'e' to the power of a complex number.

Any help regarding how to finish this would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Here's the definition of the exponential of a complex number:

e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

where a,b are the real and imaginary parts of the complex number.
 
  • #3
thanks for that.
My attempt is below but I doubt I have implemented the "negative" y exponent correctly. Could someone please tell me how I have gone wrong.

Original formula:
VO = VI e^(-yi)
= VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

My rewrite using:
e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

is:

5 * e^(-0.745)(-cos 1.279 - sin 1.279)(2500)

= 0.4747(-1.022)(2500)

= -1212.94

jbunniii said:
Here's the definition of the exponential of a complex number:

e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

where a,b are the real and imaginary parts of the complex number.
 
  • #4
fran1942 said:
thanks for that.
My attempt is below but I doubt I have implemented the "negative" y exponent correctly. Could someone please tell me how I have gone wrong.

Original formula:
VO = VI e^(-yi)
= VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

My rewrite using:
e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

is:

5 * e^(-0.745)(-cos 1.279 - sin 1.279)(2500)

= 0.4747(-1.022)(2500)

= -1212.94

No, you dropped the "i" in the term i*sin b. Your result should be a complex number.

Also, isn't the 2500 part of the exponent?
 
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Thanks for your patience. I have tried again. Is this an improvement ?

Original formula:
VO = VI e^(-yi)
= VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

My rewrite using:
e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

is:

5 * e^(-0.745*2500)(-cos 1.279 - isin 1.279)

= -1862.5(-.9998 - j.0223)


jbunniii said:
Here's the definition of the exponential of a complex number:

e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

where a,b are the real and imaginary parts of the complex number.
 
  • #6
fran1942 said:
Thanks for your patience. I have tried again. Is this an improvement ?

Original formula:
VO = VI e^(-yi)
= VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

My rewrite using:
e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

is:

5 * e^(-0.745*2500)(-cos 1.279 - isin 1.279)

= -1862.5(-.9998 - j.0223)

No, this still isn't right. Multiply out the complex number first:

(-0.745 + j1.279)2500 = -1862.5 + j*3197.5

Then a = -1862.5, b = 3197.5
 

Related to Taking e to a complex power (telecommunication formula)

1. What is the significance of taking e to a complex power in telecommunication formulas?

The base of natural logarithm, e, is often used in complex power formulas in telecommunication to represent the growth or decay rate of a signal. By taking e to a complex power, we can calculate the amplitude and phase of a signal, which are essential in understanding its behavior in a communication system.

2. How is e raised to a complex power different from real numbers?

In real numbers, raising a number to a power simply means multiplying the number by itself the specified number of times. However, in complex numbers, the power of e involves both a real and an imaginary component, which can represent a rotation and a scaling factor. This is why e raised to a complex power is often used to describe the behavior of oscillating signals in telecommunication.

3. Can e be raised to any complex power?

Yes, e can be raised to any complex power, including pure imaginary numbers and complex numbers with both real and imaginary components. The result will always be a complex number, with a magnitude and angle that can be calculated using Euler's formula.

4. What is the relationship between e and complex power in telecommunication?

The value of e is closely related to the concept of complex power in telecommunication. It represents a constant rate of change, which is useful in analyzing the behavior of signals in communication systems. By raising e to a complex power, we can determine the amplitude and phase of a signal, which are crucial in understanding its properties and how it will behave in a given system.

5. How is e raised to a complex power used in practical applications?

The concept of e raised to a complex power is used in a variety of practical applications in telecommunication, such as in Fourier analysis, signal processing, and communication system design. By taking e to a complex power, we can determine the magnitude and phase response of a system, which is essential for optimizing signal transmission and minimizing interference.

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