Time Dependent Sinusoidal Perturbation Energy Conservation

In summary: The plot shows how ##P(\omega)##, i.e., the probability of transition from a fixed state ##a## to a fixed state ##b## changes with ##\omega##, the driving frequency. If that is correct, then it should be possible for a given driving frequency ##\omega < \omega_0## to provoke a transition between the states ##a## and ##b##, which would require ##\hbar \omega_0##. But as Griffiths points out, this is not always the case because there is some probability for the photon to lose energy in the transition.
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Samama Fahim
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The transition probability -- the probability that a particle which started out in the state ##\psi_a## will be found, at time ##t##, in the state ##\psi_b## -- is

$$P_{a \to b} = \frac{|V_{ab}|}{\hbar^2} \frac{sin^2[(\omega_0 - \omega)t/2]}{(\omega_0 - \omega^2}.$$

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(Griffiths, Introduction to QM, p. 346)

Questions:
1) Does ##P_{a \to b}## represent transition probability or transition probability density? In the figure above, ##P## is plotted as a function of driving frequency. If ##P(\omega)## represents probability density (i.e. probability per unit frequency interval) then the area under this curve should be the total probability. Otherwise, the plot just gives us probabilities for transitions between the fixed states ##a## and ##b## for different sinusoidal perturbation frequencies ##\omega##. Which is correct?

2) From the figure we can see that there is a non-zero transition probability for driving frequencies not equal to ##\omega_0##. This would correspond, for example, to photons having energies less than ##\hbar \omega_0## provoking transitions that require energy ##\hbar \omega_0##. Why is that?
 
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The formula should read
$$P_{a \rightarrow b}=\frac{|V_{ab}|^2}{\hbar^2} \frac{\sin^2[(\omega-\omega_0) t]}{(\omega-\omega_0)^2}.$$
It is the transition probability at time ##t## to find the system in the energy eigenstate ##b## (of the unperturbed system) when it was in energy eigenstate ##a## at time ##t=0##.

Energy is not conserved here, because the perturbation is time dependent. Thus there's some probability for transitions where ##\omega \neq \omega_0##, but note that for ##t \rightarrow \infty## you'll get a corresponding energy-conserving ##\delta## distribution. That then describes, with the correct adiabatic-switching regulator applied, the transition rate (!) (average transition probability per unit time) for transitions between asymptotic free states, where the perturbative interaction is switched on and off adiabatically.
 
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vanhees71 said:
The formula should read
$$P_{a \rightarrow b}=\frac{|V_{ab}|^2}{\hbar^2} \frac{\sin^2[(\omega-\omega_0) t]}{(\omega-\omega_0)^2}.$$
It is the transition probability at time ##t## to find the system in the energy eigenstate ##b## (of the unperturbed system) when it was in energy eigenstate ##a## at time ##t=0##.

Energy is not conserved here, because the perturbation is time dependent. Thus there's some probability for transitions where ##\omega \neq \omega_0##, but note that for ##t \rightarrow \infty## you'll get a corresponding energy-conserving ##\delta## distribution. That then describes, with the correct adiabatic-switching regulator applied, the transition rate (!) (average transition probability per unit time) for transitions between asymptotic free states, where the perturbative interaction is switched on and off adiabatically.
Does this formula give the probability for transition between fixed states ##a## and ##b##?
 
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vanhees71 said:
The formula should read
$$P_{a \rightarrow b}=\frac{|V_{ab}|^2}{\hbar^2} \frac{\sin^2[(\omega-\omega_0) t]}{(\omega-\omega_0)^2}.$$
It is the transition probability at time ##t## to find the system in the energy eigenstate ##b## (of the unperturbed system) when it was in energy eigenstate ##a## at time ##t=0##.

Energy is not conserved here, because the perturbation is time dependent. Thus there's some probability for transitions where ##\omega \neq \omega_0##, but note that for ##t \rightarrow \infty## you'll get a corresponding energy-conserving ##\delta## distribution. That then describes, with the correct adiabatic-switching regulator applied, the transition rate (!) (average transition probability per unit time) for transitions between asymptotic free states, where the perturbative interaction is switched on and off adiabatically.
Maybe if the electron gets energy ##\hbar \omega < \hbar \omega_0## for a long time, it is able to make the transition from ##a## to ##b##. Is that why the probability for such transitions is non-zero?
 
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vanhees71 said:
The formula should read
$$P_{a \rightarrow b}=\frac{|V_{ab}|^2}{\hbar^2} \frac{\sin^2[(\omega-\omega_0) t]}{(\omega-\omega_0)^2}.$$
It is the transition probability at time ##t## to find the system in the energy eigenstate ##b## (of the unperturbed system) when it was in energy eigenstate ##a## at time ##t=0##.

Energy is not conserved here, because the perturbation is time dependent. Thus there's some probability for transitions where ##\omega \neq \omega_0##, but note that for ##t \rightarrow \infty## you'll get a corresponding energy-conserving ##\delta## distribution. That then describes, with the correct adiabatic-switching regulator applied, the transition rate (!) (average transition probability per unit time) for transitions between asymptotic free states, where the perturbative interaction is switched on and off adiabatically.
The problem here is not whether the Hamiltonian is conserved. How is it possible for photons of energy less than the energy between the states ##a## and ##b## to provoke transitions between these states?
 
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Even if the frequency for t>0 is fixed, if you do a Fourier transform of the whole time dependence of the electric field, it will contain all frequencies. You simply don't have monochromatic photons, if the wavetrain is not infinitely long.
 
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DrDu said:
Even if the frequency for t>0 is fixed, if you do a Fourier transform of the whole time dependence of the electric field, it will contain all frequencies. You simply don't have monochromatic photons, if the wavetrain is not infinitely long.
The plot shows how ##P(\omega)##, i.e., the probability of transition from a fixed state ##a## to a fixed state ##b## changes with ##\omega##, the driving frequency. If that is correct, then it should be possible for a given driving frequency ##\omega < \omega_0## to provoke a transition between the states ##a## and ##b##, which would require ##\hbar \omega_0##. But as you say, even this ##\omega < \omega_0## can be "broken up" into all sorts of frequencies that will provide the required transition energy ##\hbar \omega_0##. Is that correct?
 

1. What is time dependent sinusoidal perturbation?

Time dependent sinusoidal perturbation is a type of energy perturbation that involves a sinusoidal change in the potential energy of a system over time. This perturbation can be applied to various physical systems, such as mechanical oscillators, electronic circuits, or quantum systems.

2. How does time dependent sinusoidal perturbation affect energy conservation?

Time dependent sinusoidal perturbation can cause a system to exchange energy with its surroundings, leading to a change in the system's total energy. However, the total energy of the system and its surroundings remains constant, as required by the law of energy conservation.

3. What is the equation for calculating energy conservation in a time dependent sinusoidal perturbation?

The equation for energy conservation in a time dependent sinusoidal perturbation is E = E0 + ΔEpert, where E0 is the initial energy of the system, and ΔEpert is the energy gained or lost due to the perturbation.

4. Can time dependent sinusoidal perturbation lead to energy dissipation?

Yes, time dependent sinusoidal perturbation can lead to energy dissipation in a system. This occurs when the perturbation causes the system to lose energy to its surroundings, resulting in a decrease in the system's total energy.

5. How is time dependent sinusoidal perturbation used in scientific research?

Time dependent sinusoidal perturbation is used in various scientific fields, such as physics, chemistry, and engineering, to study the behavior of systems under changing energy conditions. It is also used in experiments to manipulate and control the energy of a system for specific purposes, such as in quantum computing or materials research.

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