Understanding the Role of Series Resistors in Piece-Wise Linear Diode Models

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) in solving for current in a circuit with a battery and resistance diode model. The correct KVL equation is given as I=(VDD-VD0)/(R+rd), taking into account the voltage drops across both resistors. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding the position of resistors in a circuit and how it affects the overall voltage drop. After some algebra, the correct equation for current is determined to be I=(-Vd0+5)/(R+rd).
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I am NOT trying to solve this as a homework problem, I'm just trying to dig out basic concepts that I'm missing when using this battery+resistance diode model.I'm having trouble seeing why, when solving for current, KCL equation does NOT work out as:

1) I= (0-Va)/rd
2) I=(Va-(-5))/R

where Va is the voltage at node a, rd is the diode resistance, and Vd0 is the diode voltage drop.

I understand that the resistors are in series, and there is only one current, so the correct Kirchoff's equation should be:

I=(0-Vd0)/(rd+R)

But each resistor is responsible for a (different) voltage drop. The position of the resistors, even if they are in series, is specific. We can see this by measuring voltages before and after a resistor. Hopefully somebody can provide a fullproof explanation for this.
 

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Here's an example directly from the book which very clearly shows the question that I have:

They give us the equation for the current, since there is only one current, and the resistors are in series.

My question is, why is the equation for I NOT:

1) I=(Vdd-Vd0)/R
2) I=(Vd0-0)/rd

Each resistor is responsible for a voltage drop, meaning that it is important where each resistor is located. Where am I going wrong?
 

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VDD - VD0 gives the sum of the voltage drops across R and rD, hence the given equation for I.

1) I=(Vdd-Vd0)/R
No, because (Vdd-Vd0) is not the voltage across R.

2) I=(Vd0-0)/rd
No, because Vd0 is not the voltage drop across rD
 
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Redbelly98 said:
No, because (Vdd-Vd0) is not the voltage across R.

Why not? I'm just following from one voltage source to another, isn't that how KCL works?
 
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It's KVL that we want to use here ... KCL just tells us that the current is the same through each element in the loop.

According to KVL:

VDD - ID*R - VD0 - ID*rD = 0​

You can rearrange that to get

VDD - VD0 = ID*R + ID*rD

Note the right-hand-side has the voltages across both resistors.
 
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Thanks for that, made me realize something I didn't recall:

Consider the entire voltage across the diode, first; then, KVL becomes:

I=(-vd-(-5))/R

from node a to Vss. Now, realizing that for this diode model, the voltage across the diode, (variable) vd:

vd=Vd0+I*rd

where Vd0 is the intrinsic threshold voltage (constant).

Substituting in the original equation for I and playing around with some algebra leads us to:

I=(-Vd0+5)/(R+rd)

which I'm hoping is the right answer. Thanks for the refresher.
 
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Looks good, assuming -V = -5V in your first circuit.
 

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What is a piece-wise linear diode model?

A piece-wise linear diode model is a mathematical model used to describe the behavior of a diode in a circuit. It is based on the assumption that the diode has a linear relationship between its voltage and current at different intervals or "pieces" of the voltage range.

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