A few questions about RCD

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The discussion revolves around the functionality of Residual Current Devices (RCDs) in various scenarios, particularly focusing on whether an RCD will trip under specific conditions involving hot and neutral wires, as well as floating AC supplies. The scope includes technical explanations and debates regarding electrical safety mechanisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an RCD will trip if there is a current imbalance, regardless of whether the supply is from hot and neutral wires or a floating AC supply.
  • Others explain that the operation of an RCD relies on the cancellation of magnetic fields when currents are equal and opposite, suggesting that a leakage fault would cause it to trip.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of scenarios presented in external links, with some participants claiming that the RCD will not trip if there is no current leak to the earth.
  • One participant mentions that the method of testing an RCD involves creating an internal bypass, which is similar to the conditions being discussed.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over differing opinions from reputable sources, indicating a lack of clarity on the topic.
  • There are references to previous discussions and external threads that participants believe are relevant to the current questions, but disagreements persist on their applicability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the RCD will trip in the scenarios described. Multiple competing views remain, with some asserting it will trip and others arguing it will not under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific cases and external discussions, but there are limitations in how well these relate to the current thread's diagrams and scenarios. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of electrical safety principles.

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1) If I take hot and neutral wire from 230V AC socket and connect to external RCD that has one wire parallel to it, and connect to 2kW heater, will this RCD trip?

2) Will RCD trip if this is AC floating supply instead hot and neutral wire?

I interested will one wire parallel to RCD couse current imbalance inside RCD...

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Yes it will trip.
 
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In an RCD, the circuit wires pass the same way through a transformer core. If the currents are equal and opposite, their magnetic fields will cancel, so there will be no secondary current. A leakage fault to another circuit or earth, will cause a small secondary current, that will trip the RCD breaker.
 
gen x said:
2) Will RCD trip if this is AC floating supply instead hot and neutral wire?
Yes.
If there is a difference in the two circuit currents that pass through the RCD, then it will trip.
 
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After all the other discussion in the other thread(s), how could you not realize this?
 
Causing an internal bypass inside the RCD is how they are tested. Pushing the test button does something similar to what you describe.
 
Averagesupernova said:
After all the other discussion in the other thread(s), how could you not realize this?
To me,it is crystally clear that will trip, but members with highest reputation scores at stack exchange, tell that RCD will not trip, so I check here..
I will not write a link because you already told me that you dont comment other opinnions..
 
gen x said:
I will not write a link because you already told me that you dont comment other opinnions..
I did not say that. I said I will not continue to chase endless links that you provide in an attempt to support your incorrect position. If I didn't comment on other opinions then why would I have posted on your opinions? If you post the link to stack exchange I will look.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
I did not say that. I said I will not continue to chase endless links that you provide in an attempt to support your incorrect position. If I didn't comment on other opinions then why would I have posted on your opinions? If you post the link to stack exchange I will look.
in comments members transistor and andy aka write rcd will not trip, because there is no current leak to the earth... I dont understand their logic at all..


https://electronics.stackexchange.c...ring-fault?noredirect=1#comment2028722_763901



https://electronics.stackexchange.c...on-in-home-electrical-system-really-necessary
 
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Ok so this is just more regurgitation of your previous thread. Are you Elizabeth in the stack exchange thread? It seems Elizabeth has the same tendencies that you do by asking the same question over again and in separate threads. This image and variations of it continue to pop up here on PF as well as your links:

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As drawn the RCD will trip due to the perceived connection between the red wire and the chassis of the receptacle that the appliance is plugged into.
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The RCD will not trip if the green wire between earth and the neutral is removed. This is clearly shown in another similar image. This is all fine and well but that is not what your diagram in post #1 of this thread shows.
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So what does one thing have to do with another?
 
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Which is case #2? Specifics please.
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I will again state that the scenarios in the links you have provided so far do not relate to the diagram you posted in the first post of this thread well enough to provide an intelligent answer. You are expecting the same yes or no answer for different questions.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
Which is case #2? Specifics please.
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I will again state that the scenarios in the links you have provided so far do not relate to the diagram you posted in the first post of this thread well enough to provide an intelligent answer. You are expecting the same yes or no answer for different questions.
case 2 in this link,

https://electronics.stackexchange.c...ring-fault?noredirect=1#comment2028722_763901
 
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Ok what you refer to as case #2 has the conduit/protective earth conductor/chassis tied to neutral, but no electrode driven into the ground. It will trip as drawn.
 

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