I violate law of energy conservation

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The discussion explores a hypothetical scenario involving a helium balloon that could potentially violate the law of energy conservation by generating energy from its ascent. It suggests that the potential energy gained from the balloon's height could be significant, leading to thoughts of perpetual motion. However, participants quickly point out that the energy required to pump and deflate the balloon would negate any energy gained from its fall. The idea of using a sealed tube with lighter air to assist in bringing helium back down is mentioned but ultimately dismissed due to the impracticality of energy requirements. The consensus is that the pursuit of perpetual motion in this context is futile and not supported by physics.
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Let's say we have a helium balloon carrying total weight of 1 kg.
We set up 2 stations. Pumping station on the ground and deflating station at certain height.
We pump the balloon until it start to float up. We catch it at deflating station at height H.
Now the energy we gain is potential energy of the falling balloon which is mGH.
The energy require for pumping and deflating a balloon is set! If any.
The height H can stretch as high as you want to! => mGH is a linear increasing function.
 
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Cool -- perpetual motion finally!

But seriously, if this is a closed cycle that runs continuously, how do you get the helium back down to the ground to keep refilling the balloon...? Pump it, right? And the energy you could get out of the balloon motion gets used up (plus more) in the helium pumping.

Oh well, still no perpetual motion.
 
Well, there's no problem in getting the helium back down. Just make a sealed tube that contain air lighter than helium and let gravity do the work. Yeah, still the sticky point is the pumping the balloon part. I suspect the energy require to pump the balloon is theoratically exact as the maximum height the balloon would reach. Oh well, I'll find another way to break that law.
 
atom888 said:
Oh well, I'll find another way to break that law.
Your time really would be better spent on another pursuit. Right now, you're playing a lottery with no jackpot!
 
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