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The discussion centers on the impact of Sarah Palin's selection as the vice-presidential candidate for John McCain's campaign. Initial reactions highlighted her appeal to women, but the conversation quickly shifted to criticisms of her qualifications and the controversies surrounding her, such as her daughter's pregnancy and various ethical issues. Despite these controversies, many supporters remained loyal, attributing her popularity to her charisma and ability to connect with conservative values. Critics argue that her lack of substantial experience and knowledge in complex political matters undermines her candidacy. The dialogue also touches on the broader implications of the election process, suggesting that it has devolved into a popularity contest rather than a serious evaluation of candidates' qualifications and policies. Participants express frustration over the perceived ignorance of voters who support candidates based on superficial traits rather than substantive issues, leading to concerns about the future of democracy and informed decision-making in elections.
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russ_watters said:
I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Spouses of politicians are often part of their teams, depending on what else they have going on in their lives, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The most noteable, of course, is First Lady, which was all-but a cabinet position for Hillary.
Do they get flown places by private companies for no explicable reason? I don't know, maybe they do.
 
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  • #252
russ_watters said:
I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Spouses of politicians are often part of their teams, depending on what else they have going on in their lives, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The most noteable, of course, is First Lady, which was all-but a cabinet position for Hillary.

Wait a minute. Having private companies pick up spousal expenses is a gray area. Certainly it was reported as a gift. But gifts by companies that have business before the state is a slippery slope.

I'd think the last thing the Palins need in light of her stonewalling on the subpoenas investigating her alleged ethical lapses using her office to illegally seek retribution against her sister's ex-husband, would be more evidence of further ethical blurring.
 
  • #253
Greg Bernhardt said:
I think the notion that Palin got her Passport in 2006 is frightening! She knows nothing of the world but from the media and reading?

This doesn't surprise me much, Greg. When I lived in Alaska I was astounded at the level of insulation of the people up there (no pun intended!). It'a a wonderful place, but it is NOT like the rest of the US.

After a couple of years up there, I came back to the lower 48 to find that the highway speed limit was no longer 55 mph (I hadn't heard!) and there were these fanciful things that sent documents over phone lines, called "faxes". And there were dozens of other little things like that.

Don't get me wrong, I loved living in Alaska. It's like no where else I've lived - the people are so great - I haven't met people so decent and open (and a bit odd), ever. But it is VERY insulated and separate from the rest of the world.
 
  • #254
The Palin-McCain Administration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZKQDyL5gzc
 
  • #255
LowlyPion said:
The Palin-McCain Administration

:smile: .. Whoops!
 
  • #256
Astronuc said:
Maybe we need a geography test for President. :rolleyes:

Seems a little bit mean for Barack since he's still just learning the U.S. states.
 
  • #257
Math Is Hard said:
Seems a little bit mean for Barack since he's still just learning the U.S. states.

Since Barack has a degree from the #1 University in the country, maybe world (Harvard), I am sure he would accept any intellectual challange against a man who thinks Spain is in Latin America, Iraq borders Afghanistan, and the fundamentals of our economy are strong.

with me being from Czechoslovakia it really is important to see people understand world geography!

I know you think "math is hard" but its seems that for the republicans logic is hard, intelligence is hard, science is hard (or false).

I actually really liked Mccain until he said, and I quote: "Hillary is a big fat pig" I thought that was uncalled for.
 
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jaap de vries said:
Since Barack has a degree from the #1 University in the country, maybe world (Harvard), I am sure he would accept any intellectual challange against a man who thinks Spain is in Latin America, Iraq borders Afghanistan, and the fundamentals of our economy are strong.

with me being from Czechoslovakia it really is important to see people understand world geography!

I know you think "math is hard" but its seems that for the republicans logic is hard, intelligence is hard, science is hard (or false).

1) Astute readers will note from my posts that I poke fun at both sides.
2) You might be reading a little too much into my screen name.

Actually, I think the main problem for conservatives is that Barack Obama appears to be fundamentally a socialist.

I actually really liked Mccain until he said, and I quote: "Hillary is a big fat pig" I thought that was uncalled for.
I have problems with McCain, too. McCain got on my bad side when he tried to push an amnesty bill. I have no idea what you are talking about as far as the Hillary comment.
 
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  • #259
jaap de vries said:
Since Barack has a degree from the #1 University in the country, maybe world (Harvard), I am sure he would accept any intellectual challange against a man who thinks Spain is in Latin America, Iraq borders Afghanistan, and the fundamentals of our economy are strong.

So why has he consistently refused to debate McCain? He said he would debate McCain "anytime, anywhere," and continues to refuse to do so. Obama never has given any kind of speech with any real substance the entire time he has been running for President, has refused to debate McCain at all thus far despite repeated requests from McCain, and when he had a tough time debating Hillary in the ABC debate, he canceled all debates with her afterwards.

As for what school a candidate went to, I think that means little. Our current President George W. Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard Business School, for example.
 
  • #260
WheelsRCool said:
So why has he consistently refused to debate McCain? He said he would debate McCain "anytime, anywhere," and continues to refuse to do so.

Considering that we have three Presidential debates coming up, may we assume that you have no idea what you're talking about?

October 15, 2008 Presidential Debate in Hempstead, New York
October 7, 2008 Presidential Debate in Nashville, TN
September 26, 2008 Presidential Debate in Oxford, Mississippi
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/debates.php
 
  • #261
I'm talking about the town hall debates that Senator McCain has challenged Senator Obama to. Moderated debates with selected questions and pre-set times to answer them are a whole different animal.
 
  • #262
Math Is Hard said:
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I have problems with McCain, too. McCain got on my bad side when he tried to push an amnesty bill. I have no idea what you are talking about as far as the Hillary comment.

He said that Hillary's economic plans were like lipstick on a pig. By republican reasoning, he called Hillary effectively... a pig. (:smile:)
 
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jaap de vries said:
He said that Hillary's economic plans were like lipstick on a pig. By republican reasoning, he called Hillary effectively... a pig. (:smile:)

:biggrin: Wasn't that the biggest load of crap? I think that one probably backfired on them. No one (hopefully) believed the mock indignation. I don't think that incident demonstrates that republicans are bad at reasoning so much as it demostrates that certain leaders in the republican party think that the American public are bad at reasoning. I don't think democrat leaders are much better in this regard. I'm thinking about Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex with that woman."
 
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Math Is Hard said:
:biggrin: Wasn't that the biggest load of crap? I think that one probably backfired on them. No one (hopefully) believed the mock indignation. I don't think that incident demonstrates that republicans are bad at reasoning so much as it demostrates that certain leaders in the republican party think that the American public are bad at reasoning. I don't think democrat leaders are much better in this regard. I'm thinking about Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex with that woman."

The thing is, when McCain said it, he was clearly referencing Hillary's healthcare plan. When Senator Obama said it, he was saying it not too long after Governor Palin had made her speech with the "lipstick-pitbull" joke.

Now, I don't know if he actually meant to reference Governor Palin or not, I mean the campaigning can get tiring and people can make speaking gaffes (Carly Fiorina making a stupid one just recently for example), but it was a strange coincidence and the crowd clearly took it as a reference to Governor Palin.
 
  • #266
Math Is Hard said:
:biggrin: Wasn't that the biggest load of crap? I think that one probably backfired on them. No one (hopefully) believed the mock indignation.

Esp coming from a man who publically called Chelsea Clinton ugly when she was only eighteen years old.

"I'm thinking about Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex with that woman."

What do you mean by "sex"? That could mean anything. :rolleyes:
 
  • #267
Math Is Hard said:
Seems a little bit mean for Barack since he's still just learning the U.S. states.
Is this about the "57 states" thing?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to discern without the need to invoke an obscure international organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one (i.e., "one left to go," excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his weariness he slipped up and started off with "fifty" instead of "forty." (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words "fifty" and "seven.")
 
  • #268
WheelsRCool said:
The thing is, when McCain said it, he was clearly referencing Hillary's healthcare plan. When Senator Obama said it, he was saying it not too long after Governor Palin had made her speech with the "lipstick-pitbull" joke.

Now, I don't know if he actually meant to reference Governor Palin or not, I mean the campaigning can get tiring and people can make speaking gaffes (Carly Fiorina making a stupid one just recently for example), but it was a strange coincidence and the crowd clearly took it as a reference to Governor Palin.

And this is exactly what Obama was referencing in respect to MCCain being a Bush, Jr. The full meaning of his comments in context fairly convey exactly that meaning. Governor Huckabee even observed that there was no intent that could be drawn from his remarks. The whole thing demonstrated that Obama handled the Republican attacks with dignity, and the Republicans merely demonstrated their readiness to distract with manufactured issues,when the substantive issues are stacked so severely against them.

Heaven forbid that the debate ever turn to the more serious issues like unregulated banking markets that are this morning alone about to cost taxpayers 1/2 a trillion dollars or more to begin to straighten out. Heaven forbid that people remember McCain's drinking from the trough of banking interest lobbies or his association with Charles Keating and the Savings and Loan mess that cost taxpayers a truck load back in the late 80's. Heaven forbid that the public begin to examine McCain's voting records with respect to eliminating regulation, including the repeal of Glass Steagall, a bill sponsored by his good buddy Phil "America is a nation of whiners" Graham, that may lay at the root of some of the mess that we are paying the bill on today.

No, let's blitz the media cycles with manufactured issues serendipitously linking lipstick with sexism.
 
  • #269
Ivan Seeking said:
Esp coming from a man who publically called Chelsea Clinton ugly when she was only eighteen years old.

And that was in the context of inferring that Janet Reno was her father let's not forget. Forgetting the injudiciousness of the remarks, it looks to me to show a mean spirit that belies the projected inner man that claims to have found meaning in captivity.
 
  • #270
I see now that the reason that Palin is stonewalling the subpoenas is because it has become a partisan issue.

HELLO. It's her own party that she is thumbing her nose at as well. It's a bipartisan commission.

The Governor that said she had nothing to hide, now is in hiding on the issue?

Alleged misuse of office now compounded by obstruction? How can the truth be worse than the cover-up? She represents no reform so much as she represents more of the same, but with no horsepower in the engine.
 
  • #271
Wow, everyone in my office is very religious, one is even a minister, and all (except the Young Earth Creationist) are now voting for Obama BECAUSE OF PALIN!.

They say she's dishonest & abused power and is now obstructing the investigation of her abuse of power.
 
  • #272
Evo said:
They say she's dishonest & abused power and is now obstructing the investigation of her abuse of power.

You won't catch me arguing with them on those points.

In the final analysis, Obama is not a dis-religious man. His embrace looks to guide him, but not to impose his religion on others, but rather to guide him in the conduct of his life's work. That should not disqualify him among those that say they are religious.
 
  • #273
LowlyPion said:
And this is exactly what Obama was referencing in respect to MCCain being a Bush, Jr. The full meaning of his comments in context fairly convey exactly that meaning. Governor Huckabee even observed that there was no intent that could be drawn from his remarks. The whole thing demonstrated that Obama handled the Republican attacks with dignity, and the Republicans merely demonstrated their readiness to distract with manufactured issues,when the substantive issues are stacked so severely against them.

Heaven forbid that the debate ever turn to the more serious issues like unregulated banking markets that are this morning alone about to cost taxpayers 1/2 a trillion dollars or more to begin to straighten out. Heaven forbid that people remember McCain's drinking from the trough of banking interest lobbies or his association with Charles Keating and the Savings and Loan mess that cost taxpayers a truck load back in the late 80's. Heaven forbid that the public begin to examine McCain's voting records with respect to eliminating regulation, including the repeal of Glass Steagall, a bill sponsored by his good buddy Phil "America is a nation of whiners" Graham, that may lay at the root of some of the mess that we are paying the bill on today.

No, let's blitz the media cycles with manufactured issues serendipitously linking lipstick with sexism.

Or Heaven forbid the debate turn to issues such as what Senator Obama's spending proposals could do to this nation in the future, what his minimum wage and tax increases will do, his foreign policy proposals, etc...you also need to take a look at some of Senator Obama economic advisors and what institutions they come from.

They say she's dishonest & abused power and is now obstructing the investigation of her abuse of power.

They need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
 
  • #274
WheelsRCool said:
They need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
The committee that is investigating Palin's alleged abuse of power is composed of 8 Republicans and 4 Democrats, and she said that she would cooperate fully with them. The investigator hired by the committee is a Republican appointee who is specializing in victim's rights. Now that Palin is the GOP VP candidate, she has done a 180, and claims that the investigation into her actions is "partisan". I guess it is, since 2/3 of the committee members are Republicans. Somebody has been drinking the Kool-Aid but it's not Palin's critics in this matter - it's the people who believe the McCain campaign's disinformation on the investigation.
 
  • #275
WheelsRCool said:
Or Heaven forbid the debate turn to issues ...

Issues is what Obama has been addressing from the beginning.

It's clear the McCain campaign is out of ammunition and desperate to trow firebombs at anything that doesn't remind the public of his SHAMEFUL life long support of deregulation - 26 years worth. Now he is trying to turn around and create some Mortgage Funding entity to commit a TRILLION DOLLARS of the country's funds to bail out the mess that he has in large part been to blame for?

He expects that the country should not only pay the bill for his 26 years worth of supporting the very thing that he has helped cause, but that the country should now elect him to give him more power to savage the economy further?

Or what about this issue? Let's talk about McCain's plan to privatize Social Security how about? He says that the Stock Market is a Casino? And his plan would put at risk something like 25% of the trillions needed to properly fund Social Security?

But, oh I see you want to talk about Obama consultants? You want to throw out ridiculous accusations like McCain did today while he stands there saddled with his own Phil Graham stink - calling Americans whiners - while McCain opines on the soundness of the fundamentals - playing the part of Herbert Hoover - head in the sand - as the economy teeters on freefall? That's not leadership. That's desperation at falling further behind in the polls.
 
  • #276
The committee that is investigating Palin's alleged abuse of power is composed of 8 Republicans and 4 Democrats, and she said that she would cooperate fully with them. The investigator hired by the committee is a Republican appointee who is specializing in victim's rights. Now that Palin is the GOP VP candidate, she has done a 180, and claims that the investigation into her actions is "partisan". I guess it is, since 2/3 of the committee members are Republicans. Somebody has been drinking the Kool-Aid but it's not Palin's critics in this matter - it's the people who believe the McCain campaign's disinformation on the investigation.

What you forget is that Governor Palin discovered corruption in Alaska and went against her own party (Republican) and really stuck it to some of the politicians there. The Republican establishment in Alaska does not like Governor Palin. Neither does the oil industry since she raised their royalty rate.

Issues is what Obama has been addressing from the beginning.

With rhetoric. If he wants to really address the issues, he needs to stop traveling around giving grand speeches with a teleprompter and take McCain up on his townhall debate challenges. That would give people a true comparison of the candidates and their policies. If Senator Obama knows what he is talking about, he could say, "...but Senator McCain, your idea is not going to work, and here's why..."

It's clear the McCain campaign is out of ammunition and desperate to trow firebombs at anything that doesn't remind the public of his SHAMEFUL life long support of deregulation - 26 years worth. Now he is trying to turn around and create some Mortgage Funding entity to commit a TRILLION DOLLARS of the country's funds to bail out the mess that he has in large part been to blame for?

Deregulation was not shameful; as a matter of fact, it was essential for opening up Wall Street to minorities and ending the strict reign of the good 'ole boys club on Wall Street, along with allowing American corporations to become the most efficient in the world and allowing for an enormous amount of wealth and job creation.

One other thing to keep in mind: the financial institutions that have collapsed as of late were all very highly regulated, such as the investment banks, Fannie, Freddie, etc...the institutions that are pretty unregulated, such as hedge funds, have seen few, if any, blowups.

He expects that the country should not only pay the bill for his 26 years worth of supporting the very thing that he has helped cause, but that the country should now elect him to give him more power to savage the economy further?

Senator McCain saw this problem coming back in 2005 and tried to do something about it with the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, but was stonewalled on the issue by both Republicans and Democrats. He is not like Senator Obama who has taken a tremendous amount of money from Fannie and Freddie.

And prior to de-regulation, the economy used to perform far more poorly. One of the main things believed to have caused the current crises was the failure of the Fed to raise interest rates as well. Extensive regulation is not some magical method for keeping things under control.

Senator Obama expects us to elect him when he essentially wants to take us back to the same policies that plagued the economy with problems prior to deregulation.

Or what about this issue? Let's talk about McCain's plan to privatize Social Security how about? He says that the Stock Market is a Casino? And his plan would put at risk something like 25% of the trillions needed to properly fund Social Security?

No one is going to "privatize" Social Security, what they are talking about is working out a way to give the system the benefits of privatization with the security of the government.

And if it was not for the Democrats, Social Security never would have ended up in any financial trouble in the first place. You need to read about the history of Social Security and how the government robbed it.

But, oh I see you want to talk about Obama consultants? You want to throw out ridiculous accusations like McCain did today while he stands there saddled with his own Phil Graham stink - calling Americans whiners - while McCain opines on the soundness of the fundamentals - playing the part of Herbert Hoover - head in the sand - as the economy teeters on freefall? That's not leadership.

The fundamentals of the economy are fine; as for Gramm, that was a stupid comment, but no different really than Senator Obama's pastor saying vile and hateful comments about America either. As for Herbert Hoover, he did not have his head in the sand. He was correct during the 1929 crash that the economy would correct itself. What he did not realize (and no one would until years later) was that the Federal Reserve system did not keep the banking system solvent, which caused the economy to implode, and spiral down into a depression.
 
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  • #277
WheelsRCool said:
What you forget is that Governor Palin discovered corruption in Alaska and went against her own party (Republican) and really stuck it to some of the politicians there. The Republican establishment in Alaska does not like Governor Palin. Neither does the oil industry since she raised their royalty rate.
Are you serious?! Palin "discovered" corruption? She ran a 527 group for Ted Stevens, the most corrupt Senator in living history, and she came to the governor's post with his substantial support. Please do some investigation and fact-checking.
 
  • #278
WheelsRCool said:
What you forget is that Governor Palin discovered corruption in Alaska and went against her own party (Republican) and really stuck it to some of the politicians there. The Republican establishment in Alaska does not like Governor Palin. Neither does the oil industry since she raised their royalty rate.

Ethics is ethics.

The issue is her abuse of office.

The evidence is apparently credible and clear that she turned a private matter into a governmental one.

The investigation was initiated well before her consideration for VP.

She vowed to cooperate.

Now she is stonewalling.

Facts are facts. Whatever the politics, it doesn't excuse her poor behavior.
 
  • #279
Gokul43201 said:
Is this about the "57 states" thing?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to discern without the need to invoke an obscure international organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one (i.e., "one left to go," excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his weariness he slipped up and started off with "fifty" instead of "forty." (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words "fifty" and "seven.")

So, if McCain goofs up he gets crucified, but if Obama goofs, it's just "aww.. poor thing was so weary..."

Not that I really care about either one of those guys. I'm moving to Bora Bora.:approve:
 
  • #280
WheelsRCool said:
What you forget is that Governor Palin discovered corruption in Alaska and went against her own party (Republican) and really stuck it to some of the politicians there.
Yes, I read about how she complained that one of her co-workers was using his government e-mail account for party business.

Sarah Palin was involved in an investigation of Randy Ruedrich for mixing his political job with his state duties. At the "behest" of the attorney general's office Sarah Palin "hacked" into Mr. Ruedrich's computer seeking information from his email.

Has the attorney general's office been involved in any other investigations or situations where it has ordered members of another government agency or department - such as the AOGCC - to hack into a government computer to retrieve email?

Regarding the use of personal email accounts not on the government server to do government business -- does the attorney general's office deem that acceptable and legal?

In the current investigation of Governor Palin, will the attorney general's office participate in an effort to retrieve and disclose the emails of Governor Palin in the same manner that it did with the Randy Ruedrich investigation?

When there is an investigation involving a state of Alaska employee, is there a standard procedure for how that employee's computer will be accessed to retrieve information? Is the computer removed from the office of the employee? Is the employee informed that the computer and email address he was assigned by the state is being accessed and investigated? What are the steps and who is involved? How is the event documented?

This letter has the links to the articles on the instance of her and a tech hacking into Reudrich's computer to get to his e-mail.

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/131533
 
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  • #281
Math Is Hard said:
So, if McCain goofs up he gets crucified, but if Obama goofs, it's just "aww.. poor thing was so weary..."
You seem to be using a goof spreading paintbrush that is maybe a couple sizes too big, MIH. Which specific McCain goof are you talking about?

I don't think it is fair to criticize him for talking about the "border between Iraq and Pakistan". I think that's just mis-speaking. I don't think it's fair to criticize him for saying Czechoslovakia instead of Czech Republic - that's just an old habit, and it's clear what he meant.

But I think it is perfectly fair to criticize him for saying that Palin "knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America," or for getting Sunni and Shia wrong on at least three different occasions, or for repeating the Alaska produces 20% of US energy campaign mantra from a prepared speech. Those are not accidental goofs or slips of the tongue.
 
  • #282
...and constantly asserting that Obama will raise YOUR taxes.

Sure, if you are in the top 5% [is it 5 or 10%?], but it doesn't apply to 90-95% of the taxpayers. It is a blatant lie, but they have probably said it a thousand times by now.
 
  • #283
Gokul43201 said:
You seem to be using a goof spreading paintbrush that is maybe a couple sizes too big, MIH. Which specific McCain goof are you talking about?

It all starts back here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1879684&postcount=256

McCain getting ridiculed over the President of Spain thing. I made a joke - but I had a feeling it wouldn't play well to this audience. It didn't.
 
  • #284
Ivan Seeking said:
...and constantly asserting that Obama will raise YOUR taxes.

Sure, if you are in the top 5% [is it 5 or 10%?], but it doesn't apply to 90-95% of the taxpayers. It is a blatant lie, but they have probably said it a thousand times by now.

Who me?
 
  • #285
Math Is Hard said:
It all starts back here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1879684&postcount=256

McCain getting ridiculed over the President of Spain thing.
That one, I don't think is a goof or a slip-up from weariness.

I made a joke - but I had a feeling it wouldn't play well to this audience. It didn't.
Aww ... sorry sista! :frown:
 
  • #286
Are you serious?! Palin "discovered" corruption?

Yes; her rooting out corruption led to the resignation of the Alaska Republican Party chairman and the attorney general and the defeat of the governor.

She ran a 527 group for Ted Stevens, the most corrupt Senator in living history, and she came to the governor's post with his substantial support. Please do some investigation and fact-checking.

And she has called on him to come clean about his financials. No different type of relation than Senator Obama and his relation to Tony Rezko I'd think.
 
  • #287
Ivan Seeking said:
...and constantly asserting that Obama will raise YOUR taxes.

Sure, if you are in the top 5% [is it 5 or 10%?], but it doesn't apply to 90-95% of the taxpayers. It is a blatant lie, but they have probably said it a thousand times by now.

If he wants to pay for even part of his spending proposals, he will have to increase taxes on more than the top 5%; and if he raises the cap on the payroll tax, it is more than 5% who will see their taxes raised. Also, about three out of four individual income tax filers in the highest-earning 1% are small businessses, meaning under Senator Obama, many will see their tax rates go up, and as we know, many businesses pass their taxes onto the consumer, or cut benefits, or fire workers, etc...

It is also a blatant lie to claim that 95% will see their taxes "lowered," as about 40% don't pay any tax, they get a tax credit, or a "free" check from the government. Pure wealth redistribution. It's the oldest political trick in the book, tax "the rich" (really the upper middle-class as the rich can find ways to hide their money), while promising a bunch of freebies to the lower-earners.
 
  • #288
Astronuc said:
Maybe we need a geography test for President. :rolleyes:
BTW, this applies to all candidates. I'd really like to know what each candidate knows about the world, world leaders, the United Nations, US history, World history, the US economy, the global economy, . . . . I'd also like to know what languages they understand.

So far, I haven't been really impressed by anyone who has been president or has attempted to become president with respect to their world view.
 
  • #289
Astronuc said:
BTW, this applies to all candidates. I'd really like to know what each candidate knows about the world, world leaders, the United Nations, US history, World history, the US economy, the global economy, . . . . I'd also like to know what languages they understand.

So far, I haven't been really impressed by anyone who has been president or has attempted to become president with respect to their world view.

I agree with you that it is important to have bearing on a candidates knowledge in all these topics, but one person can't be expected to be a master of all those disciplines. Obama is an expert in constitutional law, but do I expect him to be an economics expert? No, but I expect him to able to interpret and evaluate information given to him by people who've spent their lives studying these subjects in a rational, logical manner. No disrespect for McCain and his military service or the naval academy, but comparing the type of logical, succinct thinking pounded into law school student at one of the nations best schools versus the military oriented education of a naval academy leads me to believe Obama is by far the most suited for the Presidency regardless of whether I lean politically to the left or right.
 
  • #290
"Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter"
Times_London said:
Her [Mama Jane] alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.

Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.

According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.

After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.

Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx-Ka0NTgRw
 
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  • #291
Chuck Hagel blasts Palin's experience.
Minneapolis Star said:
Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska became the nation's most prominent Republican officeholder to publicly question whether Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has the experience to serve as president.
http://www.startribune.com/politics...c:E7_ec7PaP3iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president," he said.
 
  • #292
Here is the site that Palin promised to make available if elected.

http://www.usaspending.gov/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEXlROKR6dg
 
  • #293
Lipstick Bungle

Mr. McCain, on Monday you repeated your delusional notion that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Now, the federal government is working on a deal to save that economy from collapsing. You have admitted that the economy is not your forte, so you could have used a running mate with some financial chops. (Remember Mitt Romney?)

But no. Who did you pick? SnowJob SquareGlasses whose financial credentials include running Wasilla into debt, listing (but not selling) a plane on EBay and flip-flopping on a bridge to wherever. In fact, when it comes to real issues in general, she may prove to be a liability.

. . . .

At your[McCain's] first joint town hall meeting with her in Michigan on Wednesday, in front of an invitation-only crowd of Republicans no less, she dodged substantive questions about the issues as if they were sniper fire, while issuing a faux challenge to the audience to play a game of “stump the candidate”. Seriously?

. . . .
Interesting that Palin ran a Wasilla into debt. She should feel right at home in Washington.

As for Palin discovering corruption in Alaska, that's after lots of other people were aware. But given how obvious it was, she couldn't ignore, and she certainly seems to have used it against her opponent. But then, Palin has apparently introduced her own patronage system.
 
  • #294
Another Palin lie falls apart: Palin claims that she fired the director of public safety not for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law, but for a trip that Monegan planned to DC, and that the trip was unauthorized. Untrue.
Palin has maintained that she fired Monegan not over the status of Trooper Mike Wooten, but over budget disagreements - specifically a trip Monegan planned to Washington which she said was unauthorized.

...

Palin, saying she did not authorize the expenses for the travel, cited that trip as a primary example of the insubordination that led to Monegan's firing.

However, Palin's chief of staff did authorize the travel to Washington.

A travel authorization document signed by Palin's Chief of Staff Mike Nizich on June 18 approved Monegan's trip to Washington for the purpose of meeting Sen. Lisa Murkowski.

The document's existence was first reported by ABC News on Friday.

Monegan told ABC that the travel authorization was explicitly to pursue funding for the anti-sexual-violence program, though the document does not state that as a reason for the trip.
://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/20/politics/main4462366.shtml
 
  • #295
turbo-1 said:
Another Palin lie falls apart: Palin claims that she fired the director of public safety not for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law, but for a trip that Monegan planned to DC, and that the trip was unauthorized. Untrue.

://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/20/politics/main4462366.shtml

Apparently the Legislature is going to release their report, with or without the depositions.

The cynical strategy that Palin is attempting is that if she refuses to be deposed and all the witnesses refuse to honor the subpoenas that the legislature won't be able to act to find them in contempt without a full hearing before the legislature before the election. Thus thwarting the completion of the report before the election.

So they will report what they have publicly October 10. Unfortunately it will be 8 days after the VP debates. That would be a fun grenade to play with during the debate. Maybe they should speed it up?
 
  • #296
turbo-1 said:
Another Palin lie falls apart: Palin claims that she fired the director of public safety not for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law, but for a trip that Monegan planned to DC, and that the trip was unauthorized. Untrue.

://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/20/politics/main4462366.shtml

This part of the article suggests even another cover-up.

CBS_News said:
Monegan told ABC that the travel authorization was explicitly to pursue funding for the anti-sexual-violence program, though the document does not state that as a reason for the trip.

McCain spokesman Taylor Griffin said Friday that the travel authorization was for a routine trip, and that state commissioners regularly travel to meet members of Alaska's congressional delegation.

"He was not authorized to lobby Congress," Griffin said.
He went on behalf of the state, to meet with the state congressional representative - presumably state oriented business.

But the reason for the trip was not recorded as Lobbying. Apparently the Governor's office chose not to recognize it as that, so they couldn't be held accountable for spending money on lobbying efforts, even if it would have been in support of his own state congresswoman?

Otherwise, what irresponsible abuse is that for the state police commissioner to go to the congressional office of his own state?

How is that insubordination? Or is the insubordination buried in his failure to bend to the will of a governor seeking vindictive retribution on behalf of her sister?
 
  • #297
Astronuc said:
Lipstick Bungle

Interesting that Palin ran a Wasilla into debt. She should feel right at home in Washington.

Well the town wanted a sports complex, and she said that they would need to increase I think the sales tax a bit and they put it on the ballot for the citizens to vote for or against; they voted for it, so the town went into debt to finance it. She cut the town's property taxes and business taxes. She also reduced her own salary.

Individuals, towns, cities, corporations, nations, etc...all use debt to finance things. As Governor of Alaska, she cut the budget and earmarks and she has vetoed about $500 million thus far, and the state has a budget surplus, which she distributed out to the state's residents.
 
  • #298
The only thing Palin distributed out to residents was the same oil revenues, which have always been distributed to Alaskan residents
 
  • #299
WheelsRCool said:
... and the state has a budget surplus, which she distributed out to the state's residents.

That's really a total misrepresentation of any budgetary skills when the state is collecting $7B in revenues just from the oil companies and $2.5B from the Federal government.

Do the citizens like it? Sure. They are gouging the oil companies. And soaking up pork barrel projects.

As to the Wasilla Sports Complex, there are reports of a lot of ill will floating around about the mishandled land purchase and the extra cost to the city. Not exactly the kind of thing that demonstrates managerial expertise.

Her populism is purchased. And apparently her management skills are an illusion.

Why deny what Chuck Hagel has the courage to recognize: She's unfit to hold the office.
http://www.startribune.com/politics...c:E7_ec7PaP3iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU
 

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